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Um, *Spoilers* "Spoilers*ed herself for no reason.


So I've been rewatching Jessica Jones this week to get myself psyched for Luke Cage. I just finished rewatching episode 10, and I have to say that Hope killing herself no longer makes any sense to me. I get that her sentiment was that Jessica had been holding back and trying to take Killgrave alive, and that by killing herself Hope could free Jessica to take Killgrave out for good. The thing is, Hope had just been released been released from prison after Killgrave killgraved the DA into dropping the charges against her. So Jessica was no longer being motivated by a need to keep Killgrave alive for the sake of Hope's trial. Jessica was already free to kill Killgrave were it not for the multi-hostage situation. So what exactly did Hope's sacrifice accomplish?

Furthermore,I suspect this site may not fully grasp the concept of signatures.

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Don't over think it.
It was done purely for effect/emotional impact.
They named a pretty young girl Hope (Get it? wink wink) just so they could later have Hope commit suicide. 😨

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But she'd just ended back up in Kilgrave's control. She ended her life because she didn't want to be subjected to more of the horrors of the months she spent under his control earlier.

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I get that her sentiment was that Jessica had been holding back and trying to take Killgrave alive, and that by killing herself Hope could free Jessica to take Killgrave out for good. The thing is, Hope had just been released been released from prison after Killgrave killgraved the DA into dropping the charges against her. So Jessica was no longer being motivated by a need to keep Killgrave alive for the sake of Hope's trial. Jessica was already free to kill Killgrave were it not for the multi-hostage situation. So what exactly did Hope's sacrifice accomplish?


Maybe you also forget that Kilgrave was threatening to once again take Hope as his sex slave and kill Jessica's neighbors if Jessica didn't hand over Kilgrave's father. Hope took her own life because she'd rather do that than be used by Kilgrave as a hostage against Jessica.

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Crappy writing. Didn't make sense in the context of what Jessica was trying to do and it just made Hope seem weak and stupid, which I didn't want her to be, but she was. Not like you can blame the OP for writing a crappy show.

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Crappy writing. Didn't make sense in the context of what Jessica was trying to do and it just made Hope seem weak and stupid, which I didn't want her to be, but she was. Not like you can blame the OP for writing a crappy show.



Someone update the Wiki definition of "bad writing" to include situations where some random viewer would have done something different. Hope's reaction is realistic - she'd just endured hell spending several months as Kilgrave's sex slave. Would she want to go back to that again? No.

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Mind clarifying what a "random" viewer is? Since I was a big Jessica Jones fan before this show was made, have a Netflix account, and enjoy comic book adaptations in TV and movies, I would think I'm anything but a random viewer. But maybe you know something I don't know.

Also I'd be interested in hearing why you're more entitled to an opinion than anyone else who doesn't agree with you, since you're clearly biased towards this show and its writing.

Were you ever a sex slave to a super villain who possesses the powers of mind control? I'm just curious since you seem to know so much about how realistic Hope's reaction was in that situation.

From a narrative standpoint I don't believe her actions achieved anything except perhaps shock value and contrived tragedy. To me it felt less realistic and more like "okay this has to happen to get the audience to rally behind JJ even more than they already are, most likely".

What did Hope's actions truly achieve in terms of storytelling? Did it add anything? Jessica was always going to figure out that Kilgrave couldn't control her, and she already had the capability to kill him, no longer needed to worry about clearing Hope's name (that was weird too because why did she suddenly care so much about one girl when she clearly did not get attached to strangers in general, what was it about Hope that made her special aside from the fact that she too was a victim of Kilgrave's, when we already know he probably had hundreds if not thousands of other victims throughout his lifespan).

Of course Hope didn't want to go back to the life of torture that she endured because of Kilgrave, but she obviously believed that Jessica could stop him, those were pretty much her dying words as a matter of fact. Did she really need to die in order for Jessica to overcome him? No. It made her character seem short-sighted and weak, when the writer's clearly wanted us to feel sympathy and sorrow for her instead. So that's why I'd call it bad writing. If anything, Hope's actions only further benefited Kilgrave and possibly allowed him to escape. If all Jessica had to do was save the others in that scene then it is possible she could have caught up to Kilgrave and ended him right there.

Almost the entire show revolved around the same formula of "stalk Kilgrave... catch him... find some way for him to escape... repeat". They couldn't figure out any way to make the story this season more interesting? Again... poor writing/storytelling.

The entire first season was repetitive and the characters were poorly developed. I could go on but I'm interested in hearing you address those point first, since you find it appropriate to condescend others for having an opinion.

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Almost the entire show revolved around the same formula of "stalk Kilgrave... catch him... find some way for him to escape... repeat". They couldn't figure out any way to make the story this season more interesting? Again... poor writing/storytelling.


Jessica already carries an extreme level of guilt for the deaths in her life. I mean, no sane person wants to kill anyone, but having spent most of her life carrying guilt for the deaths of her family, then the horrific trauma of being made Kilgrave's willing slave, then the guilt of killing Reva, then the guilt of believing that Reva's murder is the reason she was free, then Kilgrave setting up the situation so she feels guilty for the deaths of Hope's parents and Ruben. I don't find it unreasonable that she wanted to solve the problem and be the hero without killing. Plus (and I'm treading lightly here) victims of prolonged psychological and emotional torment and manipulation have complicated feelings toward their abusers. It's not as simple for her as it is to us.

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I assume it was so Jessica would focus on killing Kilgrave instead of trying to rescue Hope from him. Also, in Hope's case, dying on your own terms is probably better than being forced to kill yourself in whatever way Kilgrave's sick mind imagines. Jessica would certainly have hesitated to kill Kilgrave if Hope's life was on the line so she basically took away that option.

Kilgrave probably had some kind of contingency in place too, so that if he died or disappeared for long enough then Hope would have to kill herself. Similar to the commands he gives his staff at Jessica's house.

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I assume it was so Jessica would focus on killing Kilgrave instead of trying to rescue Hope from him. Also, in Hope's case, dying on your own terms is probably better than being forced to kill yourself in whatever way Kilgrave's sick mind imagines. Jessica would certainly have hesitated to kill Kilgrave if Hope's life was on the line so she basically took away that option.

Kilgrave probably had some kind of contingency in place too, so that if he died or disappeared for long enough then Hope would have to kill herself. Similar to the commands he gives his staff at Jessica's house.


That's what I thought. Better to die by your own hand rather than be commanded to impale yourself on large shears. And yeah, that's also true that Kilgrave probably had a "If I don't return within [x time], kill yourself" plan for Hope.

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Jessica would certainly have hesitated to kill Kilgrave if Hope's life was on the line so she basically took away that option.


And Jessica had been hesitant to just kill Kilgrave, because I said earlier, like any other victim of prolonged abuse, she's got complicated feelings about the man (like "I know this guy got subjected to cruel experiments, but that give him a free pass to violate me") so killing Kilgrave isn't exactly a straightforward "do it and done".

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