What was going on with Luke Cage in this series? - Jessica Jones (2015) Discussion

[–] robertblakenyc 8 years ago

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones were made without much collaboration.
A lot of this is being done on the fly.
My guess is after the Defenders with all the showrunners in place, season two of these shows will be much more cohesive.

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[–] derrick-beaumont 8 years ago

I doubt that, especially with Jessica Jones at least. She is only recognised as a struggling troubled woman according to Ms Rosenberg's interviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M

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[–] robertblakenyc 8 years ago

Yeah I've been reading those too.
I was hoping for Jessica to become more normalized but seemingly Rosenberg steadfast in her remaining a basket case.
Apparently Kilgrave is not the sole or major reason Jessica is a mess.
Well we will see.

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[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

They were more or less setting him up for his own show. Like establishing he's on the run from the law, or Kilgrave's murder of Reva, etc.

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[–] haxemon 8 years ago

They kept him to the background somewhat since it was Jessica's show. And the shotgun under the chin fits fine with how they established his powers both in JJ and in LC.

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[–] BrunoAntony 8 years ago

Not really.

It made the Judas bullet massively redundant.

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[–] derrick-beaumont 8 years ago

The shotgun should have had no effect.

If it was the force of the shot that not only knocked him out but also caused damage to his brain, then by rights all the guns he got shot with in his series should have left him from sore to injured by their force.

It is inconsistent.

Look at the scene with the guy that brakes his wrist punching Luke. Then go look at Jessica Jones episode 6 at about 38mins in and onwards. You will see a normal human trading punches with Luke without braking bones lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M

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[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

It's not inconsistent. The shotgun barrel was up against his skin when Jessica fired. Those other times, the people shooting at Luke were using pistols, or pea shooters. If anything, Luke would've felt a minor sensation but it wouldn't hurt.

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[–] derrick-beaumont 8 years ago

The guy behind the cage in Cottonmouth's "bank" did not have a pistol or pea shooter.

Also you didn't say anything about the wrist break incident in Luke Cage and the Jessica Jones episode 6 fight.

Please check the episode and see the inconsistency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M

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[–] haxemon 8 years ago

A shotgun literally up against his chin is going to have a significantly higher effect than one even a foot away. Physics/ballistics.

As for the fights, if Luke rolls with the punch as opposed to leaning into it, that too will make a big difference. The person throwing the punch makes a difference as well - if that person doesn't know how to punch with a properly positioned wrist and forearm and/or doesn't know that Luke is really strong (to say the least) that's quite different than someone who knows how to punch and somewhat knows that they're punching.

Yes the wrist break bit was done partly for effect for the audience, but given the situation I find it completely plausible that Luke leaned into it to try and scare the group of guys into just running off rather than him having to trash his bar.

Now I haven't gone frame-by-frame through every detail but this is fiction so that's really not a requirement.

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[–] derrick-beaumont 8 years ago

As for the fights, if Luke rolls with the punch as opposed to leaning into it, that too will make a big difference. The person throwing the punch makes a difference as well - if that person doesn't know how to punch with a properly positioned wrist and forearm and/or doesn't know that Luke is really strong (to say the least) that's quite different than someone who knows how to punch and somewhat knows that they're punching.

Yes the wrist break bit was done partly for effect for the audience, but given the situation I find it completely plausible that Luke leaned into it to try and scare the group of guys into just running off rather than him having to trash his bar.

Now I haven't gone frame-by-frame through every detail but this is fiction so that's really not a requirement.

You are reaching for an answer to justify it and also... You are talking about different fight scenes.

I am saying Luke Cage season 1 episode 1 vs Jessica Jones season 1 episode 6

No leaning in, no excuses. Check it out please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M

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[–] haxemon 8 years ago

Nah.

I watched LC 101 and didn't have any issues with it at the time. So since my panties are not wadded I won't go out of my way to look for something someone else thinks is a flaw or goof.

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[–] derrick-beaumont 8 years ago

Ignorance is bliss I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M

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[–] KthulhuX 8 years ago

1. He owned a bar. I'm not sure why that's so incomprehensible. If you're asking why he didn't own a bar anymore in the Luke Cage series, it's because it got blown up.

2. He has unbreakable skin, but that doesn't make him immune to concussion or other harmful effects of a point-blank shotgun blast to the head.

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[–] BrunoAntony 8 years ago

1) He was a prison escapee ... who bought and ran a bar?

2) A point blank shotgun blast as opposed to *all* the other damage he received, including being beaten by futuristic armour, blown up with explosive and hit with a rocket? Yeah.

Keep reaching, kunt.

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[–] derrick-beaumont 8 years ago

The Bar was in Reva's name, that much I know.

The rocket and other "damage" I agree with. As a Rocket should expel more force than a shotgun no doubt lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M

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[–] robertblakenyc 8 years ago

20/20 hindsight it was probably unwise to have Luke Cage introduced by anyone other than his showrunner.
Cheo Hodari Coker likely would have redlined some of what was done in Jessica Jones.
That said so what.
Watch Jessica Jones for Jessica and watch Luke Cage for Luke.
Fortunately the Defenders will have all the showrunners to run things by before going ahead.

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