Season 2 after Defenders and Iron Cage?
It should have been aired in 2016, just after Luke Cage, in my distinct opinion.
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Yeah as it would have made more sense.
Now as it stands Jessica Jones is going to have to do a superhero team up while still being "damaged" and "Struggling" to cope, turning to drink. Meanwhile a team of superheroes will have a need for her when they have Misty with them who is sober and can be relied upon more..?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M
Yeah that sucks. Now they are going to have to give her some character development it something. I hate it when that happens
shareYeah problem is though IF they have JJ more in control of herself during The Defenders, they will either have to regress her progress in JJ S2 to showcase her back as a drunk or make the show set in the past which would then start interrupting things as not much time passes between seasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M
But she doesn't have to be more in control in Defenders. Or maybe she can be but the events of Defenders cause a set back.
Let's all wait and see what they do before we get too worried.
The original plan was one season of each then the Defenders event with lots of options for more later. So one would assume that plan is still mostly intact. They squeezed an extra DD season and introduced Punisher as a bonus but that clearly didn't change the Defenders plan.
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Well the season 2 talk of Jessica Jones wasn't the original plan, just like DD S2.
It may then mean that Rosenberg has to alter her plans to fit the Defenders plan or that Defenders itself will be altered to accommodate Rosenberg's ideas.
But I just find it hard for them to rely on a "troubled" hero like Jessica Jones when everything she can offer can be covered by other members and allies, Luke for strength and Misty for detective work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M
I can't imagine they'd alter Defenders at all actually. Other than little things. So while DD2 was "bonus" Matt isn't really in a vastly different place than he was at the end of DD1. There are plenty of small details one could point out but none that would likely change the plot of Defenders.
So I'm just assuming that whatever they have planned for JJ2 will work after whatever they have planned for Defenders.
Know what I mean? Given how JJ1 ended they can't have been planning to have a fully "okay" JJ in Defenders but maybe the story is such that her troubles don't really play into the story. Or maybe they do but she doesn't end up "resolved" at the end.
Further to that thought - I assume they wrote the outline for Defenders such that all the characters come out of it in some sort of position that they can do more shows. While they probably didn't *plan* for additional seasons of all of them, they certainly would have been hoping to have that option.
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I agree with everything that you are saying, but personally I am worried about Rosenberg's vision of Jessica namely her " you can advance the character, but you never want to cure the character," "That trauma is a huge part of who she is now" and "She will continue to drink and make mistakes, and accidentally drop people onto train tracks."
For me that is worrying as in her season she wasn't really someone that you could count on, but more so was forced to act either through guilt (Reva) or responsibility (Kilgrave).
For me this mindset would need to change to then work in a team environment where there is no personal gain. And when you factor in the traumatic and somewhat depressive state of Jessica Jones, then it begs the question "Why would people with powers and skills to match her, then rely on her?"
I just find it hard to imagine playing out well for the character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M
We'll have to see what they do. Who's to say they're actually a traditional team of four? Maybe the story involved Jessica being someone the other three have to save or something? Or maybe, like many unstable people, Jessica has good weeks and bad weeks.
I hear what you're saying, but I would be shocked if they do something that takes away from the truly unique character they've already established.
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Well it's not taking anything away as such.
1. Luke Cage >> Jessica in strength
2. Misty Knight >> Jessica in contacts and legal power to investigate.
And this is just for the confirmation of Misty:
http://www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2016/11/defenderssetheader.jpg
Jessica's trauma isn't all she is and it isn't even a key part of her character. It's just something that happened in her past. But Rosenberg wants to make it key and a driving element of her character.
For me it will impact the character greatly and honestly I don't see how she could function in a team like that.
And like I said previously her season showcased her selfishness in how she would only act on things related to her benefit. Whatever the Defenders take on would have to be a general threat to have everyone involved from different areas (Harlem/Hell's Kitchen/ etc/ etc), which at the moment doesn't suit her character to act out against.
And if her character then does choose to act out for the "greater good" then to revert back to selfish means would feel like character regression rather than progression.
Hopefully Rosenberg changes her mind but time will tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M
I keep thinking "we just have to wait and see".
I disagree about Jessica being entirely selfish. She was ready to leave the country but then went back in in episode 1. Her wanting to help the others doesn't seem that odd to me. And if the story is about IGH and/or whatever entity gave Jessica her powers then it's pretty easy to include her.
I do worry a little that maybe they think the whole PTSD and abuse survivor thing was the "hook" that made JJ popular and that they'll run with that too far. But again, I'm not going to spend too much time worrying about bad things that *might* happen.
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I disagree about Jessica being entirely selfish. She was ready to leave the country but then went back in in episode 1.
yeah she stayed because she didn't want anyone else's blood or trauma on her hands. The same thing she said to Trish and everytime something happened to somebody via Kilgrave "It's my fault." It's why I said she only functioned on guilt or responsibility, but it was in a self fulfilling role, rather than just because it is the right thing to do.
I do worry a little that maybe they think the whole PTSD and abuse survivor thing was the "hook" that made JJ popular and that they'll run with that too far.
Yes I am extremely worried about this (as you can tell lol) but I will wait to see what is brought to the table 2018/announced late 2017.
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It's a fine line. If someone is "selfless" they often say things like "if I don't do something then it's my fault" etc. So Jessica speech isn't necessarily showing that she's helping others for purely selfish reasons.
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Yeah it is a fine line. The line you gave is responsibility but the issue I have with it is in context it is too personal a situation (The guy after her attacking others to get to her), so I believe it is guilt and responsibility that fuels her, rather than doing good for the sake of doing good. There always seems to be a personal gain (guilt free/money/hide the truth).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPHzOZs44M