How many people have to die just so Kilgraves powers "can be proven " firstly it would be impossible.
Why is Hopes life more important than all the innocent people lives who this serial rapist/killer is murdering? Even Hope realized this and offed herself so that moron Jessica can finally "get it"
Terrible writing
It wasn't just Hope's life, it was Jessica not being able to stand the guild over Reva.
Yes, everyone gets that Jessica was wrong and her judgement was horrible, but that was the point.
Disagreeing with a character doesn't mean bad writing. Especially when *why* the character does what she does is explained in the show clearly.
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There's also the fact that abuse victims sometimes may have, ahem, "complicated" feelings about their abusers. So there's that. So, Jessica's not an idiot. It's just that the trauma does have some influence over her decisions.
shareGreat points.
I mean I get when people are frustrated that she didn't just kill him early on, but it only takes a little thought to see why she acted that way. It was kind of the over-arching story of season 1 actually.
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Yes with a little thought I can also see why Hitler acted the way he did. He's still a douchebag that was 100% wrong.
Jessica allowed many people to die and suffer just so she could maybe, just maybe, get Hope off.
Hell, she even used her own sister as a guineapig and watched her swap tonsils with Kilgrave at the end, just for *beep* and giggles.
Er ... okay.
Jessica wasn't just trying to get Hope off. That was part of it but as we learn more about the bus accident it's pretty clear that Jessica is trying to clear herself in Reva's death. To "the law" if it comes to it, to Luke for sure and most of all to herself. If she can get everyone to see what Kilgrave can do it might just be possible for her to forgive herself for Reva's death.
If some folks don't want to look beneath the surface of this show that's totally fine - to each their own. But if you're not willing to pay attention to the depth you can't then go an criticize what you perceive as a lack of depth.
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While you say that's pretty clear, the show didn't really ever suggest that in black and white. It only suggested she wanted to get Hope off, because she herself said it a number of times.
Thinking it's also about everyone else, could be, but you're just guessing on that matter.
You seem to be defending the show pretty hard haxemon. But don't get my wrong I think it had some strengths. Kilgrave was a far better, more fearful antagonist that the giant toy-throwing insecure man-child that was Kingpin in Daredevil. Jessica Jones might have dragged on a few episodes too long, but the Jess vs Kilgrave battle was better than Daredevil vs Kingpin, in my opinion. Kilgrave had such a powerful and scary ability. Kingpin had what? Getting angry?
It's almost a little disappointing that they killed him off after 13 episodes. Maybe putting him into a comatose state, maximum security like Magneto in the X-Men movies, would have been quite cool. That way in seasons to come he could escape, perhaps put in a motion a more diabolical plan than just getting a girlfriend.
There are plenty of shows that have zero subtlety for people who don't want to look deeper (or can't). This show is not one of them and that's what makes it unique. She's a person with powers who rejects them. She rejects the notion of being a hero. Too often in super hero trope you see some weakling suddenly get powers and then they jump right into sewing a costume and thinking up their super hero name. Nothing wrong with that cliche if done right of course, but JJ is the opposite and that's awesome IMO. Many people, if they found themselves with powers, would reject them vigorously. There's a lot of pressure with being in power.
As for Kilgrave - yes agree he's one of the best villains we have seen. But I sort of like that killed him conclusively rather than "shelving" him until the next time they feel like rolling him out. Too many shows are afraid to actually kill characters (magic dumpsters and the like). Yes it's bold, but it raises the stakes in ways "take him away boys" can't.
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It's almost a little disappointing that they killed him off after 13 episodes.
Ugh I hope not. I lived Tennant's performance and the character but I absolutely hate bringing characters back from the dead. Within a single season or episode is fine (DD 2) or VERY RARELY in other respects. But it totally takes away any value from the end of JJ1 if they bring him back.
Bring his kids in if they want or have one single son of his take on the mantle, but please don't just go "oh hey look he's back".
Marvel is hopefully smarter than that. Coulson as a one-off was fine but if someone conclusively dies on screen and a film/season ends, that person should stay dead.
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I understand your point and sort of agree but...
1) David Tennant is too good actor not to have back
2) Kilgrave is too great a villain for the MUC not to have back
3) Kilgrave is too central to Jessica to have him permanently gone.
I'm betting the producers simply won't be able to resist. 😃
I agree with all three points in spirit. And if they had simply had him arrested or run off in JJ1 then I'd be expecting him back soon. But since Jessica was (briefly) facing murder charges I think it would be a huge cheat to bring him back now. I know in the comics he can heal etc. and IGH might have somehow swooped in to rescue him or something. But since they didn't even hint or tease at that I think they've made their bed so to speak. They HAVE to resist because they didn't leave an opening.
If they do bring him back then they have to realize that they've overspent on the "he's not actually dead" card. Coulson plus Kilgrave? Plus a bunch of in-film ones (which I don't count but some general public might). Some popcorn munchers have no idea Loki is still alive. Or were confused in Avengers when he was "back". Then there's Bucky who "died" in CATFA.
It can be done, but I just think they have to be very careful with it. If they do bring him back, the next time some character dies it will have less impact since fans might be thinking "well I'm not going to get too upset since they might come back".
Anyway, I agree he (actor and character) was/is great. But I hope they killed him that way with no hint at a way out because they KNOW they aren't bringing him back.
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No I think Kilgrave will be back. In nightmare and flashback sequences. Jessica's got a lot of emotional baggage riding on what happened, so I can think she'll imagine him taunting her conscience, allowing them to make some use of David Tennant in a way that actually works.
shareThat would work without ruining the impact of his death.
Maybe Tennant's bastard son or children are tormenting Jessica and she believes Kilgrave is somehow still alive. Leading to nightmares and flashbacks etc. Then you could have the drama of some of Kilgrave's children being young so Jessica is conflicted about them.
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Yeah Flashbacks would be good enough for me. It could show her current mental state and recovery as Kilgrave appears less. Provided they don't overdo it.
shareJessica's feelings were complicated. She wanted to save Hope, since they both had shared the same horrible experience and JJ felt obligated to help since 1. she was the only who understood; 2. Killgrave picked Hope and destroyed her life just to mess with JJ.
She also had mixed feelings for Killgrave; yes, he was a monster, but he was the product of his past and maybe there was redemption for him as well. Let's face it, if Killgrave's powers could be used for good, he'd be the greatest superhero of all time.
Then there's the fact that Jessica was trying to learn about the source of his power. If he had just been a mutant, maybe she would've just killed him, but what if there were more of him out there? What if something was turning people this way? It was very important to know.
Plus Jessica's own need for redemption that others mentioned. Maybe these things aren't clearly stated in the show, because there are things not even Jessica can say to others, but they are clearly implied.
I prefer Killgrave dead. Not only was keeping him alive a useless cliche (often followed by some sort of redemption, another boring cliche), but overuse would've undermined the character. He was interesting because he was a mystery, because his actions were unpredictable all throughout the show. Now that we got into his head and saw pretty much everything he could do, there couldn't have been any more real surprises with him. A new villain is just what the story needs to prevent repetition.
Hell, she even used her own sister as a guineapig and watched her swap tonsils with Kilgrave at the end, just for *beep* and giggles.