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So gender-swapping in no danger of slowing down in 2017


Female mummy.. guessing we'll get female dracula and frankenstein as well?

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"The Mummy" has never been just one character. Universal started with Imhotep but then kept going with Kharis. Hammer started with their own Kharis but then went on to use a nameless mummy, a mummy named Prem, and lastly, Tera. Who was a woman. In a film based on a novel by Bram Stoker. THAT Bram Stoker.

Now, kindly shut the fµck up and let the people who actually know what they're talking about discuss this film and past Mummy films.





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Who cares what Hammer did? This is Universal we're discussing, not Hammer. So kindly shut the fµck up and let the people who actually know what they're talking about discuss this film and past Mummy films.

I'm with the OP. Gender and race-swapping has gotten out of control in Tinseltown. Personally I wouldn't mind a female Dracula, but they'd likely make her "liberated" and "empowered" instead of sexy and evil.

I have no faith in anything Hollwyood does, so I have no expectations for these Universal reboots...just witness the 2007 Wolf Man. So much squandered potential.

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Okay, so let's exclude Hammer. Universal still didn't use just one Mummy, nor were they against gender-swapping, or have you forgotten that in 1940 they released The Invisible Woman? Not to mention Dracula's Daughter and, though she only appears briefly at the end, Bride of Frankenstein.

Complaining about a female Mummy is like complaining about female vampires, or female werewolves, or female ghosts or zombies. It's a type of monster, not a specific character.

Gender and race swapping characters is not new at all. What's new is that today a lot of people are fµcking morons with an absurd sense of entitlement and the inability to recognize their own double-standards.

Again, "the Mummy" was never just one character, and neither Imhotep nor Kharis has been gender swapped, so take your politically sensitive ass somewhere else and go fµck yourself in it.





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Who cares what Hammer did? This is Universal we're discussing, not Hammer. So kindly shut the fµck up and let the people who actually know what they're talking about discuss this film and past Mummy films.

I'm with the OP. Gender and race-swapping has gotten out of control in Tinseltown. Personally I wouldn't mind a female Dracula, but they'd likely make her "liberated" and "empowered" instead of sexy and evil.

I have no faith in anything Hollwyood does, so I have no expectations for these Universal reboots...just witness the 2007 Wolf Man. So much squandered potential.


You claim to know Universal's Mummy movies. ...But you just made it clear you have not seen The mummy's Curse. Guess the gender in that one. Now "Kindly shut the (expletive) Up and let the people who actually know what they're talking about discuss the film."

If you don't actually know the classics, try not to bluff.

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Ah yes, how could I forget Ananka, a key figure in the classic Mummy films (both Universal and Hammer). In my defense a lot of people forget about her.





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I'm with the OP. Gender and race-swapping has gotten out of control in Tinseltown. Personally I wouldn't mind a female Dracula, but they'd likely make her "liberated" and "empowered" instead of sexy and evil.


First you tell people if they don't know the classics they shouldn't discuss them, while you, yourself made it clear you never saw 1944's Mummy's Curse (The Mummy is a woman in that one)

And now you think female monsters all need to be sexy and sinister. I don't recall people saying "She's Hawt" when they saw The Wicked Witch of the West. Or people lusting for Christine (who is a car), or Annie Wilks (the psychopath in Misery) or any of Jessica Lange's or Kathy Bates characters in American horror story. The Alien in the Alien franchise... She's female. You want a piece a dat, big boy? The Witches in Hocus Pocus only had one "Sexy" of the three. Talky Tina, Dolly Dearest Annabelle, Jason's mother, Mother from Psycho, and Radu's mother in the Subspecies franchise... You found these to be sexy? Claudia from Interview with the vampire and Eli from Let the Right One In are decidedly NOT sexy unless there's something very, very wrong with your perceptions of sensuality.

And I have news for you. Dracula's Daughter (1932) was into girls. That's right, the black and white monster movies had heavily implied lesbianism. The same goes for Carmilla and all adaptations of Carmilla, not just Hammer's The Vampire lovers. If you were watching The Vampire Lovers today you would think she was an "Empowered Lesbian" for modern political reasons, unaware that her novel was written in the 1870s.

Your ignorance of classic horror is only matched by your sexism. Please sit down. You're embarrassing all of us.

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Yawn.

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Oh, so not a classic horror fan at all? Just a troll. How disappointing. And here I was giving you the benefit of the doubt of just not truly knowing the classics beyond the first film...

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Let's play how to spot the poseurs.

Female Mummmies in pop culture past.

The mummy's Curse (1944)

Blood from The Mummy's Tomb (1971)

The Mummy: Or Ramses The Damned novel by Anne Rice (1989) (Features two mummies, one male and one female)

Are you Afraid of the Dark? Season 3 Episode 8 The Guardian's Curse (1993)

The Second Mummy in the Disney Channel movie Undwer Wraps (1997)

Highlander The Series Season 2 episode The Pharaoh's Daughter (A female immortal is wrapped up as a mummy. She's only revived when her cause of death is removed)

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 1 (1997) had an episode featuring a female Mummy.

Double Dragon 3 video game.

Utrasylvania - A graphic novel series from 2012 in which the classic monsters are world leaders. The Mummy is a powerful and sinister (yet deceptively beautiful) woman.

This is not some new idea to hurt your manliness.

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Not to mention there are tons of examples in Victorian literature, such that scholarly works on the subject of 19th century "Egyptian Gothic" fiction will often dedicate large chunks of writing to discussing the ways that seductive, even romantic female mummies often reflect on themes of British imperialism and cultural fetishism.

To act like it's some new thing just to make a political statement reeks of ignorance not only of mummies in film and literature but of the entire horror genre (since no one ever whines the same way about female vampires or female werewolves because it's generally understood by everyone that those terms refer to types of monsters rather than specific characters, just as "the mummy" is a type of monster itself and not just one singular entity).




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Numerous female vampires - Carmilla, the three females in Dracula's castle, Lucy
(also in Dracula, in fact there were more female vampires than male in Dracula), the female vampire in Dracula's Guest (short story), Countess Zaleska (Dracula's daughter), Marie (Innocent Blood), Eve (Only lovers left alive), Seline (Underworld), Claudia and Madeleine (interview with the vampire), Gabrielle and Elani in The Vampire Lestat, Maharent, Mekare, Pandora, Baby Jenks and Akasha (the novel Queen of the damned), Merrick in the novel Merrick, Mina, Constantia and Morgan in Fred Saberhagen's Dracula books... There are lots.

Female werewolves - The one in American werewolf in Paris, She-Wolf of London (TV series), The woman in Wolf, The Howling franchise, Cursed, Syfy's Bitten (I hated that one, it gave werewolves smurfette syndrome among other things...)

Female Frankenstein monsters - The unfinished mate of the original Frankenstein novel, Bride of Frankenstein, Daughter of Frankenstein, Eve in Dark Shadows, Eva in The Bride, The creature in Hackenstein, Brona AKA Lily in Penny Dreadful, and perhaps most famously Sally in Nightmare before Christmas.

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Exactly. No one complains because there are enough examples that everyone already understands that "the vampire" and "the werewolf" are types of monsters and not specific characters, but the substantially smaller amount of recent works using the mummy archetype seems to have resulted in an idiotic mass ignorance of the fact that "the mummy" is also an archetype just like vampires and werewolves are.




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Female mummy.. guessing we'll get female dracula and frankenstein as well?


First female Mummy was the 1944 Mummy's Curse from Universal Studios, and before then several short stories depicted a female mummy.

You really don't know your classic horror at all do you?

Female Draculas:

Countess Zaleska Dracula (1932's Dracula's daughter)

Mavis Dracula (Hotel Transylvania film and TV series)

Wao Yoka as Dracula (the gender inverted stage production of Frank Wildhorn's Dracula The Musical in Tokyo. She's actually one of the best Draculas I've seen, the performance is available on DVD)

Jerri Dandridge (Fright Night 2 remake)

Regine Dandridge (1988 Fright Night sequel. Note Jerry Dandridge in the novelization of the 1985 Fright Night turned out to BE Dracula so that's why I'm counting Jerri and Regine)

Countess Dracula (Hammer's film about Elizabeth Bathory)

Sibella Dracula in Scooby Doo and the Ghoul School

Draculaura Dracula (Monster High doll, cartoon, and movie franchise)

And finally three females of Dracula's castle who were not actually brides in the original novel but actually suspected daughters.

Those are all Female Draculas. Dracula is the family name after all.

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Female Frankenstein monsters:

The unfinished mate of the original Frankenstein novel

Bride of Frankenstein

Daughter of Frankenstein

Eve in Dark Shadows

Eva in The Bride (1985 film)

The creature in Hackenstein

Elizabeth Frankenstein revived in 1994's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein

Shelley in Hemlock Grove

Elsa Frankensteen - Scooby Doo and the Ghoul School

Frankie Stein from the Monster High doll, cartoon and movie franchise.

Brona Croft AKA Lily Frankenstein in Penny Dreadful

And perhaps most famously Sally in Nightmare before Christmas though she's technically a Finklestein creation instead of Frankenstein but she is very Frrankenstein-esque.

So I repeat your own words, let people who actually know the classics discuss the film.

Did you mistakenly think us actual classic horror fans would not turn up to rebuff your ignorance? We are here and we ARE watching.

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Quote from "Anna Karenina" by Leo Tolstoy: "There are as many minds as there are heads..."

So why don't you wait and see what Universal comes up with, check it out, and enjoy it as much as possible?

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How many times does it need to be pointed out that there are tons of female mummies in film and literature?

Does it phase no one how weird it is that pop culture is full of female vampires, werewolves, Frankenstein-esque creations, and all other sorts of monsters and madmen, but somehow, suddenly, a female mummy is a dumb idea? What fúcking backward-ass planet do you people live on?





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The point of monster movies like "The Mummy" is to creep you out, not to cast some hot chick to play the mummy.

Have you seen Bride of Frankenstein? Or Dracula's Daughter? Or The Invisible Woman? Or to use a Hammer film, and a Mummy film at that, Blood From The Mummy's Tomb? This is not a new thing. Saying "it's irrelevant" doesn't work if you still hold any of those classic films in high standing.

And as you have neglected to address, there's no problem with female vampires, werewolves, etc, on film. Even when they cast "some hot chick" to play them, no one bats an eye, but suddenly we get a mummy who's a woman and there's some big problem? It's insanity.






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