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This film just got some serious pedigree


with Christoph Waltz winning his 2nd Academy Award. Alot of people who typically aren't into sci-fi or Gilliam's work are really anticipating whatever he does next. Considering EPIC is just another villain role for hollywood(although this time, in an animated feature), and Reykjavik doesn't come out till 2014, those who can will be lining up for this one immediately.

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There were already three Oscar winners in the cast, including Waltz. One more Oscar probably won't tip any scales.

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True, but Tilda Swinton and Matt Damon are only doing very small parts. This is Waltz's movie beginning to end. When your film's star lead is two for two, it helps. It doesn't matter if you won the Oscar before. What matters is how recent you won it(striking while the iron is still hot), and what film you won for. Virtually everyone saw Inglourious Basterds and Django Unchained. The other 3 main characters are played by two young relative unknowns and David Thewlis(perfectly fine actor, but the average moviegoer doesn't know him by name off-hand). Waltz is clearly the hottest name in the main cast right now, so yeah. I'd say the 2nd Oscar helped.

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I didn't see "Django Unchained".... really am sick of QT at this point. But Waltz was excellent in "Basterds", despite the poor quality of the film overall.

Did I not love him, Cooch? MY OWN FLESH I DIDN'T LOVE BETTER!!! But he had to say 'Nooooooooo'

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Hence "virtually", haha! Seriously though, I'm kind of fed up with Tarantino myself. 16 years ago, I would have gladly been on the QT bandwagon like everyone else, but his films post-Jackie Brown have all become too cartoonish, self indulgent, overlength, predictably repetitive, and just all around juvenile for my taste. I liked Django Unchained overall(the only QT film I've actually liked since Jackie Brown), but I left the theater with the exact same annoyed and exhausted feeling I had from watching the Kill Bill movies, Death Proof, and Inglourious Basterds. I thank him for bringing us Christoph Waltz, but other than that... I can't stand him, his movie posters that read "the 5th film, 6th film, 7th film, 13th and a half film by Quentin Tarantino"(who gives a *beep* to count one single director's number of films, let alone use it as a marketing gimick), his oversized ego, some of his philosophies of film that I completely disagree with, and that he's still seen as a cinema god by critics and audiences alike just because of one movie he made almost 20 years ago. Especially when so many of his contemporaries and newcomers have surpassed him both in terms of quality and variety of work....Ok, my rant is over. Can't wait for The Zero Theorem!

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lol.... pretty much agree with everything you're saying. QT seemed to be maturing, advancing, up to the point when he did "Jackie Brown", and then everything slowly went downhill since then. At one point, he was a sort of post-modernist, taking former exploitation and pulp elements and "elevating" them through irony. Now, he's a guy who makes slick exploitation movies.

Did I not love him, Cooch? MY OWN FLESH I DIDN'T LOVE BETTER!!! But he had to say 'Nooooooooo'

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I think Inglorious Basterds is his best movie to be honest. Pulp Fiction is good, funny, but I never got the hype surrounding it. I did not like the Kill Bill movies, but I did like Reservoir Dogs. Django was a good film. I think he is one of the greats because he has his own style and always surprises me. I do have to point out that the violence is sometimes over the top. As for Christoph, the guy is one of the best actors to ever come to Hollywood and one of the classiest.

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I agree. Inglorious Basterds and Pulp Fiction are his best works, Inglorious being slightly better than the later as for me.

As for Django, the movie was crap and as much as Waltz deserved his oscar in Basterds, the one for Django was highly unjustified.

Also, nobody should ever be rewarded so much in such a short amount of time! Daniel D. Lewis got 3 oscars but at least over a period of 20 years, Waltz got 2 in 3 years, that's ridiculous.

I know Tom hanks did even better, but at least both consecutive oscars were deserved. Let's not even talk about Walt Disney with his 4 oscars in one year...


People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs

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You act as if he made or had any say whatsoever in those movie posters.

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I've never blamed him for those posters. I blame Harvey Scissorhands, along with the rest of his marketing team at The Weinstein Co.

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django unchained was sappy and retarded. you'll be disappointed. you blew my mind with a "sidehackers" flashback. man, you messin' with private stock.

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Sappy and retarded? Wow.

Django was excellent and Waltz won an oscar.
What was Sappy? Di Caprios character? Samuel L jacksons character?
Christophe waltzs character? The sets? The score?
The storyline?

It won oscars despite being branded Racist for the most part.
Can't have racism in a movie about.... slaves.
That was retarded.

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the "django" song with the endless trek through the seasons. the fireside chat with the story about his wife's name. the "slaves see a rich negro parading" scene. it's all for cheap feels. cheap feels aren't worth 100 million bucks. they're worth a rotten tomato. you might have some class but you need to culture your taste.

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The 'Django' Song was from the original Django movie.

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and it probably worked a lot better in the original because that was the original composition it fit with.

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I'm certain anyone who uses the term "feels" is someone you can brush off.
Endless trek through the seasons? That scene lasted around, what, two minutes more or less? Although the type of person I would envision you to be (the same type of person who uses the word "feels") would probably find scenes like that, or scenes full of talking, to be too boring.
All of those scenes you found too full of cheap "feels"? All of them were necessary to tell the story that Quentin was trying to tell.

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Django was pure trash and bastards was somewhat entertaining but junk too. I can't stand QT - his 'genius' is long gone...it ended with is masterpiece Jackie Brown. Everything since then has been garbage.

You Suck...now deal with it.

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Jackie Brown is his masterpiece? You need to look up Jackie Brown a little more.

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Well, knowing Waltz is going to be in the movie is certainly the main reason I now want to watch it.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel.

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Okay, on Django:

If they could have bought the woman slave out from the start (as they intend to do in the end), the whole charade wasn't necessary, in my opinion. I think characters are cartoony and have some funny lines and sometimes even great chemistry between them. Is "Django" a great and thoughtful story? - No. The only thing I took away from it is that the rich American is still not half as educated as he would like to be and holds a grudge against a better man for childish and selfish reasons. Doc Schultz is the better man in the end, but he is also dead. So yeah, what can the movie teach me? "Boss *beep* was perhaps better than Django, and it was meant to be trash from the start.

And on Waltz: Yes, he won two Oscars, which is pretty surprising to me. There are great actors, which haven't even won one. And as long as Jennifer Lawrence wins an Oscar for looking upset and annoyed, the pedigree of the award remains questionable. Even though it is a professionally voted ceremony (directors vote for directors, actors for actors, etc), I feel it is far more related to the box office and public opinion who wins and when.

I'd just like to watch Zero Theorem. I can't find it in any cinemas here and it should be out by now.

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Me too bud, I'm finding myself watching Monkeys, Brazil and Fear & Loathing over and over just to get a hit of his tripped out, psychedelic style of camerawork. I WANT TO SEE THIS!!!

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Dude is a brilliant actor. Anything with him in it is worth seeing.

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