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Only friendless losers who can't get laid experience this issues...


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Look, I like Gillian's work like anybody else (Brazil), and I can dig subjective/existential films (Cube), however this just wasn't well done in my opinion.

I mean, for a moment I actually felt i was back at the shrink mommy and daddy sent me in my teens (hyperactiveness before Ritalin was available), where all I got was endless navel-gazing and square-circling BS pet talk (when the shrink does most of the talking, you're been ripped off, and that is ASSuming the profession is not 100% BS to begin with).

It gained me nothing, and it set my parent back quite a bit.

Then I made more friends, got a girlfriend and voila, all my problems/issues/whatever were suddenly put in proper context and what do you know? Life was still quite imperfect yet still good.

Just answer this: what happily married (or dating bachelor) EVER concerns himself with these ideas? Heck just anyone with real friends for that matter. It always is some loser/loner/weird fella who is simply driving himself crazy due to sheer loneliness (think Taxi Driver).

It's like staring at clouds or the rain: if you do it long enough uninterrupted, trust me you'll start seeing some weird stuff there.

Same as spending too much time with such questions.

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you are a dumb, boring, useless person

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And as I see you are "friendless loser who can't get laid" in denial so you have angst against this movie.

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If you both can't come up with a better reply, I rest my case. Hit a nerve?

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I don't believe you ever had a girlfriend. I think this movie just made you aware of your own sadness, and wanted the internet to think otherwise.

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If I dont understand it, its a plot-hole!
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This is exactly what happened.

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That's the message of the movie. He finally found out that he had to stop with all the questioning and jumped into the black hole with a smile. For me it meant "why not just enjoy"

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You're right, but why is it invalid to explore the experience/perspective of such people? Why are their problems and concerns less interesting or important than yours? Dismissing them as 'losers' because they don't share your situation isn't an argument against making a film for those who do.

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And who exactly said it was invalid?

I just stated the kind of people who are more likely to take any of this seriously.

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Okay, you want a better reply when the tone of your OP is utter trash. Alright, I'll give you one, let's see how you take it.

You say that only friendless "losers" who can't get laid experience this issue. So okay, you got a girlfriend, and your hyperactivity was gone, well good for you.
But then there are people with sever social anxiety issues. My cousin is one of those that you labeled "weird loners". He has Social Anxiety and he doesn't feel comfortable in social communication, forget face to face, he can not communicate even on internet. But on the other hand he has quite an imagination and he is a wonderful writer as well as an artist.

So, yeah there are issues beyond comprehension for a "normal" human, simply because a "normal" person can not imagine the way those people do. It's a lack on "normal" person's part. You cannot get it, because you are a shallow human who needs approval from society for what you consider achievement (like having a girlfriend or friends).

Happiness and sense of achievement is purely subjective. For example, if you are settled down in life with a 9 to 5 job, you are a loser for a free spirited adventurer.
If you are committed to one girl/woman, you are a loser for a playboy who spends every night with a new girl.
If you need a job to put food on the table, you are a loser for someone born to a billionaire daddy.

So before you label anyone else as a loser, know that you are a loser for several others.

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

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OK, I'll bite:

You state "But then there are people with sever social anxiety issues.", then you state "It's a lack on "normal" person's part. You cannot get it, because you are a shallow human who needs approval from society for what you consider achievement (like having a girlfriend or friends)."

You're contradicting yourself, or trying to have it both ways.

Either the person who can "get it" suffers from anxiety issues (and is thus suffering a condition, not a blessing), or is an enlightened "non shallow" individual. Which is it? It ain't both.

"Happiness and sense of achievement is purely subjective. For example, if you are settled down in life with a 9 to 5 job, you are a loser for a free spirited adventurer. "

While that sounds reasonable in theory, in fact that rarely ever happens.
- Most "free spirited adventurers" eventually end up begging for change living under a bridge, enjoying whatever happiness their latest fix can get them. I see them every day on my way to work.
- Achievements stand on their own (they are not subjective). Regardless of what you see in the movies, in reality successful individuals ENJOY their successes regardless of whatever personal sacrifice they made. The ones who really make a drastic change in their life to pursue a different path do so out of choice/boredom/40 midlife crisis.
- Most people who look down on successful people and dismiss their success do so out of envy and resentment. Not because they disapprove their behaviour/actions, but because they WISHED they could be those individuals yet couldn't cut it, hence they settle and take the high road to mask their settling as a choice rather than the only choice available to them. Very few truly do so out of personal choice and morals.


"If you are committed to one girl/woman, you are a loser for a playboy who spends every night with a new girl.
If you need a job to put food on the table, you are a loser for someone born to a billionaire daddy."

And if you're a Christian/Jew, you're a loser to an ISIS fanboy. Your examples are shallow at best.
- Most married dudes actually do envy the playboy, especially if the playboy actually scores pretty girls (and not just anything that moves including trannies and fuglies). That is not at all subjective (the playboy IS the winner, especially if he ends up married in the end).
- Most billionaires do look down on everybody else, yet their reasoning is circular (losers always are poor, and poor people are por because they are losers). So again it's not subjective (they are rationalizing their leg up as deserved/earned).

"So before you label anyone else as a loser, know that you are a loser for several others."

Hit a nerve there? You're showing.

You can rationalize/analyze/theorize it all you want. But the ultimate truth is that NOTHING will change the fact of whether you got laid (the consented way) or not.

And if you can't get a gf somehow (assuming you're not the Elephant Man, seriously disabled or consecrated to some deity), then you ARE a loser, plain and simple (plenty of plain looking yet interesting girls more than willing to give anyone who approaches them with a modicum of respect/interest the time of day, so there's no excuse).

Like that dip$h!t who shot that California campus because girls wouldn't give him the time of day nor the sex he felt he was entitled to.


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From a point od view of a female psycology student with a boyfriend, supporting parents and quite a lot of friends; You, sir, are an idiot.

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If you say so (takes one to know one?)

Yet you people keep coming back for more. Who's the real idiot?

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You're contradicting yourself, or trying to have it both ways.


Nope, you need to sharpen your comprehension skills, you seriously lack that. Also, being intelligent would have helped you, but I'm afraid that boat's long been sailed.

Either the person who can "get it" suffers from anxiety issues (and is thus suffering a condition, not a blessing), or is an enlightened "non shallow" individual. Which is it? It ain't both.


A "non-Shallow" "enlightened" person would at least try to understand the suffering of those who suffer from mental issues. He would possibly never fully understand it, but he would know better than to call them "losers".

Do you get it now?

While that sounds reasonable in theory, in fact that rarely ever happens.


And yet you missed the point by a long shot.

"Happiness and sense of achievement is purely subjective."

Subjective Subjective Subjective SUBJECTIVE

Everything you said - Subjective.

Hit a nerve there? You're showing.


What nerve? Are you that desperate for approval? u mad bro?

And if you can't get a gf somehow (assuming you're not the Elephant Man, seriously disabled or consecrated to some deity), then you ARE a loser, plain and simple (plenty of plain looking yet interesting girls more than willing to give anyone who approaches them with a modicum of respect/interest the time of day, so there's no excuse).


Funny you say that, because only people I see brag about having a girlfriend as some kind of achievement are those, who desperately and constantly need to prove that they are not a worthless losers and failures in all other parts of life.

This is what you sound like to us - "Oh oh oh, but I have a girlfriend, yeah. I have a girlfriend, take that you loser.. I'm tapping dat ass.. You got nothing on me bro, I got a girlfriend, see see, I totally got a girlfriend. You got nothing, I got a girlfriend, yeah yeah. Fúck you loserssss!!! I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND!!"



PS: See, how the quotes work? Magic, isn't it?

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

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"(losers always are poor, and poor people are por because they are losers). So again it's not subjective (they are rationalizing their leg up as deserved/earned). "

That is one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read...
Are you telling me someone that wins the lottery, is someone that deserves or has earned it?... Its purely down to chance...

Same goes for anyone who's anywhere, you are either born in to wealth or in to poverty... Yes some people do have skills to be successful and have worked hard, but in this day and age it's very rare... And guess what? To make money you have to have money in the first place! E.g. rich parents send you to private school...

You total pillock OP.

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Did you watch and pay attention to the whole movie? *minor spoilers* Is it possible you missed the parts where he talks about the joys he used to have, one of them being that he married his childhood sweetheart (whom subsequently divorced him later in life)? Right off the bat that destroys your theory of having a mate making everything better. It's quite possible that his obsession with emptiness is what drove his wife away.

There's a lot of layers to this movie and his issues, and are not nearly as simple as you basically saying 'he should be more social and get a girlfriend.'

And why are you limiting your OP and replies to just males? And why do you seem to feel the need to make everything revolve around getting laid, as if getting laid is the only way for one to be happy and content?

I'm female, I think about stuff like this all the time. I don't let it control my existence, but sometimes it's ok to just sit quietly and ponder existence and such for a while. I'm also married and have children. Some people just let those thoughts drive them mad though. It has nothing to do with whether or not they couldn't get some. That's an extremely shallow and contrived point of view to project.

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"where he talks about the joys he used to have, one of them being that he married his childhood sweetheart (whom subsequently divorced him later in life)? "

I omitted it because it struck me as the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" kind of thing. But OK, I should have addressed it somewhat. But since we never get to know much about her, it's hard not to dismiss her entirely.

"Right off the bat that destroys your theory of having a mate making everything better."

Well it's a start on the path to get the right mate. Just having anyone around is definitely NOT an objective improvement, especially if you're dumb enough to marry them (can't stop remembering those Sex and The City episode where Big introduces an old friend of his to Carrie where he reveals he's divorcing his second spouse with the line "I'm doing like $h!t. B!tch is getting everything the first b!tch didn't".

But, there's a big difference between having a gf and a wife.

"And why are you limiting your OP and replies to just males?"

Because the lead is, well, male? The movie is about him.

"Some people just let those thoughts drive them mad though. It has nothing to do with whether or not they couldn't get some. That's an extremely shallow and contrived point of view to project."

Maybe, but I disagree.
- I believe, like Freud (yes, Sigmund "cocaine" Freud) that most if not all these complex issues arise from sexual repression/frustration.
- I also believe these people may have some very valid points:
http://www.amazon.com/Did-Moses-Exist-Israelite-Lawgiver-ebook/dp/B00KI39S8Y/ref=pd_sim_kstore_8?ie=UTF8&refRID=06DJZVAYRA0KJKK10MDF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus#Parallels_with_Christianity

Long story short, societies that revolved around drunken orgies apparently were far more peaceful, just and relaxed (they sure didn't seem to have this many moral existential hang-ups). Then monotheism came along with their moralizing BS ("we're all guilty, hellbound, etc") and ruined the party for everybody.

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Regarding your last paragraph, that only furthers the fact that you are ignorant of how societies work. Ancient Greece and Rome were peaceful and relaxed? I don't think you've done your homework, at all.

If what you said were to make any sense, then lots of serial killers should have been extremely peaceful people, due to the fact that many of them were/are married or in "normal" relationships. Ted Bundy made friends easily, had the ability to make women interested in him, because he was charming, and Edmund Kemper used to be social with the same cops who were investigating his case (those are just a couple examples out of many).

You are putting too much emphasis on relying on social relationships as being the path towards normality. It's a misguided concept at best.

It's also narrow minded to dismiss the fact that he was once married when you're trying to make the argument that "getting laid" or "having a partner" will make you a "normal" person. You can't have it both ways here.

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"Ancient Greece and Rome were peaceful and relaxed?"

I thought of them too upon reading that.

"then lots of serial killers should have been extremely peaceful people, due to the fact that many of them were/are married or in "normal" relationships. "

I think you've viewed too much Dexter:
- All the ones you describe (and the ones you leave out like say Gary Ridgeway) were indeed peaceful people 99% of the time indeed. But ONLY because they had a hell of an outlet to vent out every single ounce of frustration.
- Their relationships were superficial at best. If you actually read about them, you'll see their partners were woefully unaware or deliberately ignorant (don't ask don't tell) about their hubby's "hobby" that took so much of their time and sexual desire (even Ted's girls admitted he would request more and more extreme stuff to get off with them).
- Such freaks ALWAYS try to insert themselves into police investigations or are cop-wanabes. That does not mean in the least they are stable/peaceful/normal. Today try to engage police officers in charge of high profile investigations with no obvious reason and you'll become a suspect faster than you can blink.

"dismiss the fact that he was once married"

Many marriages are miserable and thus sexless right after tying the knot. So I disagree.

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What does Dexter even have to do with it? I've spent a lot of time studying serial killers since I was in high school, and studied forensic psychology in college. When you are basing your whole argument off of the notion that having a sex life and friends means you are a "normal" and peaceful person, bringing up people who are violent, but seemingly live normal lives with wives, girlfriends, and friends is completely valid. As is bringing up societies that were warlike and violent, but also had loose morals on sex.

And your statement about marriages becoming miserable and sexless right after getting married sounds like it comes straight out of comedians mouth or a sitcom. I don't know if you've ever been married, but I am, and very happily. As are most people I know. And I've known people who were in just girlfriend/boyfriend relationships who were violent as well. Or people who are single, and can pick up people at bars, who lead self-destructive lives.

You made a sweeping generalization with your initial comments, and haven't been able to back any one of them up with anything substantial.

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What a judgemental piece of sh*t you are, so you equate not being a loser in life with having friends and getting laid?
How sad and shallow

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clearly again. We should thank al for defining a subset of the people who dislike ZT

Now about video-gamers who never think clearly again ...

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