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My explanation for the ending


Now, of course this is the type of movie where everyone forms their own opinions and conclusions, I simply tried to look at things as carefully and as logically as possible. I saw the movie like 3 times to get a better feel for it, definitely not something you can digest in one viewing.

Now I believe the tangible(non philosophical)ending is this: Bainsley leaves town(or not), Bob is hospitalized and may potentially die, Qohen's consciousness or "soul" is transferred to the neural net, to be part of it forever, or until it is destroyed. What we see at the end with him destroying the neural net with a hammer wasn't physically happening, it was effectively an illusion. Qohen accepts his fate, and reemerges in the neural net, effectively in "heaven" you can say, he can create his own reality.

Subsequently one can also imagine that after the sunset, he became intangible, just an "entity" in the vastness of the neural net.

Philosophical aspect to the ending: The entire movie Qohen was looking for meaning in life, via the phone call, or simply, a calling. In so doing, he lost the opportunity to create meaning for himself. If you think logically about it, life is meaningless, we are born, go through the various process, reproduce, then die. But that isn't meaning, that is simply programming in our DNA telling us to do things in exchange for sensory rewards(pleasure, relaxation, euphoria).

The only way for life to have meaning is to give it meaning, find a reason to live, a person, a goal, anything, and your life will have its own unique meaning for existence. Even if you simply want to "enjoy life", that in itself is meaning.

Finally, the ending isn't as depressing as everyone seems to think, even if the Zero Theorem is true, it means that everything was created out of nothing, which defies the laws of the universe as we know them. However, if true, why wouldn't the universe "pop out of nowhere", again? Why assume its a one time glitch? I think the Zero Theorem itself can't prove that, because no one will be around to experience it.

Not relevant to the movie, just my thought on the universe:
Based on what I know, and simple logic, even though I can't prove it, based on the theories and universal laws we already know, the universe will expand until one day it begins to collapse on its own gravitational pull. Once the matter is all condensed into an infinitely small, infinitely hot and dense ball, it will explode again, recreating the universe. The true wonder is whether or not it reforms the same exact way or if its totally random each time.

Theoretically this could be the trillionth iteration of the universe, for all we know, the earth, and all who dwell on it have already lived, that we already had this discussion. Not based on some magic, but probability. Throw dice enough times, and it will fall on the numbers you desire, or in this case, explode and reform enough times, and one day the SAME EXACT sequence of events will occur. This of course has tiny probability, but it exists nonetheless.

Honestly I can talk about the topic for several pages, but I won't.

Character metaphors

Management: A metaphor for control. Government, Religion, or any type of control. Seeks more wealth, knowledge and power. Is feared by those subjugated to his authority.

Bainsley: I'm not sure if she is a metaphor, but if she is, she is the "call", Qohen's call that is. To leave his meaningless life of waiting near the phone, to live with her. Assuming of course you believe she was genuine in her final intentions(I believe she was). She would most accurately represent the possibility of love and redemption.

Bob: Youth? Bob admits that he is 15 and is already bored with a lot of things. He still has interest in food and women apparently, so he is not totally jaded like Qohen. I think he is a metaphor that youth flies by, and things start to lose their novelty.

Thoughts? Feel free to add your own ending/character interpretations, or anything else you find relevant to the theme of the movie. None of these ideas are completely new, but we can go more in depth.

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You are talking about nietzschean eternal recurrence.
And I like your character metaphors, I think Management is also himself. The part of his head that forces him to do things he doesn't want to do.

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Actually I was referring to the cyclical universe theory, but eternal recurrence sound much more badass, I'm going to use that terminology in the future!

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It's something Terry Gilliam likes. That's what Twelve Monkeys is all about.

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"Honestly I can talk about the topic for several pages, but I won't"
Can you please talk. I would like to hear what else you have to say because what you said was exactly what i was thinking while watching this movie and would like to know more of what you think.(Perhaps you can write a blog somewhere and give a link here)

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You can say that again.

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"Honestly I can talk about the topic for several pages, but I won't"
Can you please talk. I would like to hear what else you have to say because what you said was exactly what i was thinking while watching this movie and would like to know more of what you think.(Perhaps you can write a blog somewhere and give a link here)

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Bainsley: I'm not sure if she is a metaphor, but if she is, she is the "call".


Well, I think it's pretty obvious that the "callgirl" representing the "call" what our hero is waiting for. :) She mention several times as well, that she will give him the solution (first the management told him that and they delivered the callgirl). And when she gives the "call" (= "come with me") he's just drop it again with some *beep* reasons (various fears) and go back to keep looking the meaning of life and universe again. With this act there is nothing left in his life again so he solved the "puzzle" what the management gave him (not with the program but with the girl): proving that the meaning of (his) life is nothing. After that he act according this and jumps in the blackhole inside the supercomputer. Maybe with this he solves it on the computer as well.

My life and I think the wast majority of humankind's life is the same and I think this is the main point of the movie. We struggles trough life like our hero in the movie to looking for the solution, now on the internet with computers. But we fail finding it and in our life as well because we are focusing on that concept that there is no meaning. And it's like riding a motorbike: you are inevitable go to the direction where you are looking at.

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Qohen tried to seduce the "call" in the dream sequence as a challenge to Management.

The Callgirl refused him, so he was gunshy as expected.

The old adage

Life is what happens when you are busy making other plans





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Many scientists now believe in a Big Rip hypothesis as to how the universe will end, not a Big Crunch as you suggested. This is because instead of slowing down the more the universe exists, it is bafflingly speeding up. Perhaps due to dark matter. (As you might have guessed, the "Big Rip" would be everything getting further and further away from everything else, solar systems drifting apart, then planets, until even atomic particles separate and there is nothing once again.)
However with the multiverse theory, infinity can once again be invoked, as you exemplified with the dice throws; it just wouldn't be in this same universe.

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If you think logically about it, life is meaningless, we are born, go through the various process, reproduce, then die. But that isn't meaning, that is simply programming in our DNA telling us to do things in exchange for sensory rewards(pleasure, relaxation, euphoria).

The only way for life to have meaning is to give it meaning, find a reason to live, a person, a goal, anything, and your life will have its own unique meaning for existence. Even if you simply want to "enjoy life", that in itself is meaning.


Your words are sophism. A reasoning built on false premises.

You have to define what you understand by "meaning". If you understand "the purpose, the reason, why are we living for", then you have pretty good answers from psychology, philosophy and evolutionism: (paraphrasing) the Organic wants Omnipotence.

The concept of God is actually the articulation of the purpose of the DNA. That is, the organic matter in the form of DNA, formulates its purpose in different ways - religion and art, mathematics and philosophy, all articulate the same goal: Omnipotence. Just like the myth of Icarus was expressing the purpose of achieving flight, and 2000 years later, the mankind is flying, so is the Omnipotence (immortality, indestructibility, perfection, power, etc.) expressed in the concept of God.

The organic matter (life) wants to be eternal, like the inorganic matter. It's that simple an answer to "the meaning of life".

This guy Terry Gilliam, is just a victim of the christian paradigm. Christianity is brutal and destructive, so Terry Gilliam and the whole western society are reacting to this aggression, they're trying to cope with its devastating effects. Most likely, Terry Gilliam, as a child, had some christian *beep* trying to brain wash him, and he's wasting his potential trying to exorcize the poisoning they dealt to his person.

Character metaphors


There's 3 characters - The Father (Management), his Son (Bob), and the Holly Spirit (Queen). This movie is an exercise in futility, of a prisoner/victim of the christian paradigm.

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The organic matter (life) wants to be eternal, like the inorganic matter. It's that simple an answer to "the meaning of life".

That's not a meaning, that's a purpose. Then what's the purpose to be eternal? There is none. Keep looking.

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ThePPrestige: thanks for the very insightful post, keep up the great work!

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