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I loved it and don't see why so many people hate it.


I loved it. I felt the chemistry, allure, curiosity about BDSM. I felt that his walls were breaking down and it was freaking him out. I felt that she was falling for him. I love the "sex" scenes and all of it. I am not one to like films of low quality acting, meaning, or story. I just don't get what all the fuss is about. I think it took people out of their comfort zones and they didn't like that, so they bash the movie instead of looking within at their own limited view on the world and people.

As far as the BDSM community getting all mad about it, I have NO CLUE why. There was nothing in this movie that shed any sort of bad light on their community. I think people just need to get over themselves.

Yeah the beginning was awkward, it was meant to be. The acting wasn't bad, it was awkward and that is how it was supposed to be because she was still a virgin for crying out loud, and a bit shy and awkward herself. Plus you have to think about it, they had to condense an entire book into just a couple hours so I am sure much was left out and lots was shoved in our faces to make the point and for us to get that her biting her lip--for instance--was something she did subconsciously and that it drove him mad with desire for her when she did it. Like in the beginning with the pencil. It wasn't her trying to act sexy and failing at it, it was just showing her quirk. Every good writer knows that the lead has to have some sort of endearing quirk about them, like twirling their hair, biting their lip, rubbing their forehead, or something that they do often without realizing they are doing it as part of their personality. She was shy, she bit her lip as part of that character makeup to show nervousness and/or contemplation. The way they went about showing that was a bit stupid, but did not detract from the story being told, nor did it take away from the actors characters.

Anyway, I thought it was a very good movie. Be open minded when you watch it. Put yourself in both of their shoes. Feel their connection grow and take on a life of its own. Feel him become uncomfortable with that. Feel her want more from him and him withdraw. Live in the moments with them. Don't watch it to judge it. Allow yourself to get carried away in their story. Then tell what you thought of it. Leave bias out of it.

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I found it boring. For me, it's not good to sit through a 2+ hr movie feeling every minute of those 2+ hrs.

I didn't like the books all that much (it's got nothing to do with my comfort zone. Sexually, I'm pretty adventurous, so to speak) but I actually wanted to like this but for me, the chemistry was not there. I love Jamie Dornan but I didn't love him in this (and he can be as sexy as hell in other things I've seen him in). It was hard for me to get carried away in their story when I wanted to smack imaginary characters lol.

That being said, if you loved the movie, that's fantastic.


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Curious...if you didn't care for the books, why would you see the movie?

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Curiosity (Jamie Dorman lol). I was hoping maybe the movie would capture what I was missing from the book. Movies are a completely different medium that can change a mediocre book into something entirely different.

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For example (different genre) I read the book "The Ruins". I didn't care for the book but actually found the movie to be quite good. Not a masterpiece but I still enjoyed it.

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Not everybody who votes on the ratings has seen the movie, hence the low ratings. I did not think this movie was anything special, yet was at least entertained by it.

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Were you a fan of the books?

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I'm a bloke and thought it was awesome. I've seen it about 100 times 1.2.3 fifty shades of yeah

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I think the problem is the power of expectations. Looking at the trailer, hearing the hype that surrounded it, people built an expectation of what they thought they were going to see when they went into the theater.

Some probably thought it was going to be filled with racy sex scenes. I'm sure they were disappointed.

Some probably thought it was going to be a love story, filled with awkward struggles at first through sex which eventually would develop into love. I'm sure they were disappointed.

What I loved most about this movie came to me long after I watched it. I went to the theater to see it (even though I didn't want to) and was really surprised by the quality of it. The direction, the scenes, the plot (especially if you pay attention to the hints around every corner. For example, why does everybody that works for Christian TRULY care about him so very deeply?).

But it was when I tried to explain it to someone that hadn't seen it that it's value doubled for me. It was grey. Fifty shades of grey. Nothing concrete one way or the other... Kind of drifting between extremes, if you will.

Fascinating, when you look at it like that.

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Calling somebody stupid for having a different opinion is what makes you look bad, not the OP.

That said, I really didn't like the movie, nor the books. In my opinion the movie was even worse, simply because Jamie Dorman acted like he was portraying a serial killer. He was giving me the creeps. And Johnson's portrayal wasn't really better.

But hey! The world would be a quite boring place if everyone had the same opinion, so I'm glad the OP liked it!

Have a nice day! 😃

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Either you are a fan or your not...like a lot of the movies out there...luckily, there usually is something for everyone...I don't badmouth anyone for their choices...but always surprised when other people do..I don't care for many movies that come up every week...but I support your choice to see them...I just bide my time till a movie comes up that appeals to me..

I will be interested to see what the next 2 movies are like..the stories are so much better than the first one...but we needed the first one as it takes place in less than a month, and just sets up the characters for the next two..

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I disagree. I think it is fair to say that if you would for example give a book like Crime and Punishment 1 star, and then a few days later give a book like fifty shades of grey a max rating is simply dumb. It is obvious which work is the better one, and it is not all about taste you know. Some people simply like stupid movies because they are stupid themselves, and don't see the point of a novel like Crime and Punishment because they are too dumb to get the importance of it.

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Ummm no and your truly a moron if you think that. Everything in art is subjective we all have our tastes and likes. If someone enjoys fifty shades over crime and punishment there is nothing wrong with that. This is entertainment after all and most ppl watch entertainment to enjoy themselves. So get your head out of your ass and quit being a douche.

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Well, except fifty shades of grey is not art, while Crime and Punishment is..

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That's entirely subjective

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So you would say that porn is art?

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I love the books and the movie so much. Though it's not about the sex or BDSM. I honestly am fascinated with Christian and Ana's relationship and love. I love how Christian cares about Ana and I think a reason why a lot of people (women) love the books is because they want their own Christian Grey. They want someone who gets jealous over a guy staring, someone who is so protective, someone who is sexy and smart and, let's face it, a billionaire gazillionaire (or whatever he is).

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You are preaching to the choir...not sure why some folks feel it's necessary to insult anyone for liking a movie or a book..calling someone stupid?...is stupid.

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It really is not. As i said, certain works (like erotica) are specifically made for stupid people, whether you agree or not does not matter. I am just stating that certain works are created with a higher intellectual merit than others, dumb people will enjoy dumb fiction, and smart people will enjoy smart fiction.

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This list clearly shows the difference between the books people enjoy and how intelligent they are, and it brilliantly proves my point

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About that image, Booksthatmakeyoudumb by Vigil Griffith.
Let's read this:
A Response to Virgil Griffiths’ "Music That Makes You Dumb": Part 1
By Michael G. Lortz | March 29, 2009
http://www.michaellortz.com/2009/03/a-response-to-virgil-griffiths-music-that-makes-you-dumb-part-1/
In the last week, several people have asked my opinion on a recent study proclaiming that Hip-Hop, among other music, “makes you dumb”. This is the first part of my two part response. Today, I will dissect the study itself and tomorrow I will defend hip-hop against those who would use the study to show it is an intellectually lesser form of music.

The study:

According to Virgil Griffith, a 26-year old student at Cal Tech, certain genres of music can be associated with the average entrance exam scores of college students.

To quote Mr. Griffith’s methodology

1. “Get a friend of yours to download, using Facebook, the ten most frequent “favorite music” at every college via that college’s Network Statistics page on Facebook (manually — as not to violate Facebook’s ToS). These ten “favorite musics” are perhaps indicative of the overall intellectual milieu of that college.

2. Download the average SAT/ACT score (from CollegeBoard) for students attending every college.

3. Presto! We have a correlation between musical tastes and dumbitude (smartitude too)!

Music <=> Colleges <=> Average SAT Scores

4. Plot the average SAT of each “favorite music”, discarding those with too few samples to have a reliable average.

5. Post the results on your website, pondering what the Internet will think of it.

Ok, so if this scale was made specifically from data from my alma mater (Florida State), and the average SAT/ACT score at Florida State was 1600, and the only music listed among Florida State Facebook users was “the sound of toddlers banging pots and pans”, then “the sound of toddlers banging pots and pans” would rate as a 1600. If another school’s students listed “the sound of toddlers banging pots and pans”, but only received an average score of 800, then “the sound of toddlers banging pots and pans” would drop to an average test score of 1200. Hence, “the sound of toddlers banging pots and pans” would rank somewhere between Bob Dylan and U2.

(Actually, FSU ranked 265th out of 1352 colleges with an average test score of 1154 across 31,347 students with listening preferences of Jack Johnson, Sublime, Coldplay, Bob Marley, The Beatles, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pink Floyd, John Mayer, Weezer, and The Fray.)

Points of Contention:

As I explained, what Mr. Griffith listed was the listening preferences of the smart colleges versus the listening preferences of less academically prestigious colleges. First of all, he does not go into academic study. Of course, colleges specializing in classical study will have more kids who listen to Beethoven, the music linked to the “smartest scores”. On the flip side, colleges specializing in urban anthropology may have more students listing to Lil Wayne (889 average score) and Nas (1071 average score).

Second, looking at Mr. Griffith’s chart, I immediately noticed most of the music on the lower IQ side derives from African beats and influences. Of course, the most basic instinct would be to label this as yet another study supporting racism and minority intellectual inferiority. The website ThisIsRealMusic.com blasts Mr. Griffith along this assumption. However, TIRM fails to mention where or how Mr. Griffith got his information. They just proclaim he is a closet racist. I don’t think that is fair, nor is it a good way to do a counterpoint.

Where I do believe Mr. Griffith dropped the ball is in his title and its associated media blitz. In labeling his study “Music that makes you dumb”, he is opening himself up for comments and negative attention. The proper title of his study should have been “Music Preferences of Facebook-Using College Students Based on School Average SAT/ACT Scores”. But that wouldn’t have garnered him any attention.

Also of note is that several Historically Black Colleges are listed in the bottom quarter of Mr. Griffith’s school data along with their students’ music tastes. I have little doubt Mr. Griffith saw this trend emerging as he graphed his data. Here again I fault Mr. Griffith’s presentation of the data.

What does it say then about Historical Black Colleges that they score so low? Either HBCs are letting in students who are not stringent in their academic requirements or the students of HBCs are not as smart as students in the top schools. The latter theory can of course be countered by the idea that minority students (assuming they make up the majority of HBC student bodies) are not being prepared well enough to score well on college entrance exams. Some even go as far as to label the tests racist. So where does the bigger fault lie: in the music HBC students listen to or the school systems they come from?

The bottom line is that Mr. Griffith was irresponsible in releasing his findings in the manner that he did. He should have known the societal repercussions of his display. The fact that he attempts to cover up his naivety in the cloak of statistical impartiality does not hold water. And honestly, instead of playing with numbers and pinning music to test scores, he would have been better off trying to devise a statistical way for students to do better on their entrance exams.

By the way, as for Mr. Griffith and his personal music tastes, according to the FAQ he listens to Daft Punk (not on the list) Tool (1083), Radiohead (1220), and Metallica (1063). Averaging the available scores, and using his musical tastes as an indicator of his own intelligence, Mr. Griffith probably received an 1122 on his entrance exam. However, this would put him nearly 400 points below the average Cal Tech student, who received a 1520.

So either Mr. Griffith is far below the academic standard at his university or, if he did score among the average test taker, his musical preferences are not indicative of his intelligence. If he then is an outlier in his own study, why should we attach his system to any other test taker in any other school?

Saying we are supposed to correlate attributes to people when the creator of the attributes is such a drastic outlier is like saying a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, would want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks. It obviously does not not make sense.


I like a few things in the books such as the emails, the romantic moments between them - other than that [edited here] I am not very fond of this genre, many scenes are too intimate between the 2 characters and I don't feel very comfortable reading; I like the movie a lot because I happened to watch it when I didn't know the books and didn't know the sadism thing (I like the movie [edited here] less after knowing about it); at the same time the same me happens to like Dostoevsky a lot: [edited here] My point is, what I feel about the movie and Dostoevsky co-exist just fine, I am cool with liking some parts in the books and not so much the rest of the books, I like the movie, and I like Dostoevsky's books (read long ago, no way I can read them now).

As for someone who goes around calling other people stupid, then many posters in this thread already have a name for him/her.

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Interesting study...but I will say..music and books..no rhyme or reason why someone likes one kind and not the other..I can have an appreciation for all kinds of music and literature...I just prefer some over others.

I hope you give the next two movies a chance...this really is a love story.

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Hi isundling,

Many women love the romance genre and to try to fit it in one narrow category does no one credit. I loved the gothic romance Rebecca, and adore the Bronte sisters but I read works by other writers too.

I used to frequent a bookstore that sold a lot of romance novels to female professionals who loved the escapist element of romance. Very often the women who purchased them would bring their own bags because they'd been shamed once too often for liking a particular romance genre. It's no one business and no one should be shamed because of what the like to read.

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I hope you give the next two movies a chance...this really is a love story.

isundling,
If with "you" here you meant me (movie80) then oh yes sure, you know I will watch the next 2 movies, you know well I like the first one, we have been on this board for a long time now.

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I am sorry, but no, it is not a love story. It is a completely average woman (in all standards) who falls in love with a rich, attractive, confident character, and they get into an abusive relationship.

First of all, it is completely unrealistic, and it gives women the idea that they can be average, rather unattractive creatures and still succeed in life since they will find a millionaire to marry.
There is nothing in this movie that is anywhere close to love, it is simply a female fantasy, one which is actually offensive to both males and females.

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I think that you are refusing the actual validity of the study. First of all, it is not racist just because he states facts that might be offensive to black people. Second of all, the study you cited was on the music part, there is in fact a difference, as music is a lot easier to enjoy there are certain discrepancies in that study, as you can also see the range on the music study is lower, because either artist is less indicative of intelligence, whereas it is easier to make distinctions on books.

The page is down now, but if you would have checked the page, you could press any of the books on the list, and you could see the specific schools in which certain people Favorited that book. I checked this myself, for example, Crime and Punishment, was literally almost only loved by students that had an SAT score of 1100 and higher, In fact, most students who liked Crime and Punishment were Ivy League students. (remember, this is the old SAT, max score 1600.) Whereas, for example Zane, was only liked by people with 950 and lower.
So there are in fact large differences between intelligence, and books people enjoy.
Now, the books in the middle, for example Dickens and such have more breathing-room, which means that students from both sides of the table will most likely enjoy it.

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