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How did you feel about Rachel (Hahn) and McKenna (Temple) in the end?


I thought she got the short end of the stick—by both the characters in the story and the writer.

I am a young woman born and raised in Los Angeles and familiar with those of the privileged only from a distance, so I found the film hilariously accurate EXCEPT for the life of a woman like McKenna (Juno Temple). Rachel (Kathryn Hahn) lives a super privileged one to the point where she's bored out of her mind, while McKenna is a young and undisciplined young girl without any guidance. In the end, the film justifies Rachel's mistakes and depicts her as happy as ever and leaves a doubtful but breezy bookend to McKenna's story. After seeing McKenna in the rearview mirror, Rachel said to her friend, "she seemed happy." GOD that line irked me to no end.

Rachel had her whole life rejuvenated from the experience. Yes, her life and that of her friends' and family's were turned upside down but--let's face it--you need things to go downhill before they get better. After McKenna, Rachel started having better sex, found love again with her husband, regained her Jewish faith, stopped hanging around with *itches she didn't care for in the first place, and the list goes on. Whatever the case, none of this would have happened unless McKenna trashed the place. So, actually, McKenna did them all a huge favor while getting almost nothing in return.

I felt bad for McKenna in ways that the film never acknowledged. I found it so unjust that Rachel made horrible judgments about this young woman's life when, in reality, it was her who couldn't handle the realities. It would have been better if Rachel apologized after (1) rejecting McKenna's act of compassion. (2) walking immediately out after being a voyeur, and (3) not allowing her to babysit the kids. Rachel walked away discomfited but McKenna is a young, vulnerable, recovering alcoholic who was left feeling essentially worthless after those experiences.

I read the last scene between them in two different ways. At first, I thought McKenna was just putting up a front by saying, "I have a million places to go." In a situation like that in real life, McKenna would contract a STD sooner or later! But now, I think it may have been the filmmaker's way of justifying an ending—that Rachel never needed to "help" this girl out in the first place.


Speaking of which, what were her true intentions in bringing a stripper into her house? I never once believed she could help her out. Like her husband, I wondered at a couple of points if she wanted to tempt her husband, or if she wanted to try lesbianism but I think she was just curious and attracted to someone so different from her. I just wish the film would've made that clearer...




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I completely agree! The scene where McKenna buys all those silly little trinkets for her 'princess' babysitting gig was so unbelievably sad. I thought it was cruel for Rachel to give McKenna every reason to believe she trusted her, only to pull the rug out from under her the minute Rachel feared her incredibly shallow girlfriends might suspect something. Compared to McKenna, Rachel's behavior was just plain cowardly. Also - was I the only person who found it weirdly offensive that, while she trusted McKenna to babysit her son, the minute girls were involved, Rachel acted as if prostitution were somehow catching? Are little girls some vulnerable than little boys? And if so, how come Rachel's (pretty weak) maternal instinct turned off when it came to the young woman she took into her home? If we were supposed to be impressed with Rachel's return to her marriage and her religion, this movie fails catastrophically. I finished it wanting nothing more than to slap Rachel for being an insensitive, patronizing fool and hoping that kind, brave and compassionate McKenna finds her way to something better than a boring bungalow in the burbs.

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YES! That scene was heartbreaking! It was probably the most potent scene in the whole film, easily trumping any of the scenes in which Rachel ATTEMPTED but failed to explain how or why she felt so unhappy. McKenna was the heart of the movie but the director treated her as some sort of Tinkerbell, blonde, petite and happened to never make any sense but able to come in and whip around a magic wand before leaving abruptly. There was the weird wiccan line early on in the film that I found hilarious but turned out to feel out of sync with the entire film. Allusions to her mom, friends, talents other than those related to sex but not much more. I'd honestly much rather watch a film about McKenna or even Rachel's husband than what we ended up getting.



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It's easier to allow others to watch your own kids, but to know who the person really is and thinking how others may feel when they find out.

It's hard to go through that.

If I knew someone as a murderer, I wouldn't mind them watching my kids, and no one else knowing if I trust the person..
But if they were asked to watch 3 others because that person is my friend.
But my other friends had no idea he/she was a murderer. Things would come to my head like, what if they find out? They would really hate me for allowing this person to watch their little children.

So much easier to say yes for your own kids because you already know the outcome of what you will think when you find out the person is a murderer because, you already knew.

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Are you comparing what she does to that of a murderer?? I mean Cmon now.....

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Struggle with analogies much?

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Also - was I the only person who found it weirdly offensive that, while she trusted McKenna to babysit her son, the minute girls were involved, Rachel acted as if prostitution were somehow catching? Are little girls some vulnerable than little boys?

I think that had more to do with the fact that her opinion of McKenna changed right after she participated in the sex work with her. The scene where the other mothers asked her to babysit occurred right after Rachel had gone with McKenna to that guy's place. And I think it was a bit different with her son because Rachel didn't actually have a job and was basically constantly supervising McKenna watching her son vs. the princess party where McKenna would be all alone with other people's children.

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You make a good point. I think if she hadn't gone to the sex thing with McKenna, she would've probably felt differently. I think that's when things really started unraveling for her. It's one thing to talk about it, it's another thing to actually watch it.

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I think you missed a few points. First, Rachel has a very idealized notion of what McKenna does for a living. When she actually "observes" one of her sessions and is repulsed by the man and what McKenna does. At that point she doesn't want McKenna around her friend's daughters. She doesn't want that influence on her children.

I think one of the more subtle points of the movie is the part about drawing a distinction between what someone does and what someone IS. The "hooker with a heart of gold" is a motif and McKenna is NOT that stereotype. She's angry that she's been cut off from the kids and decides to take it out on Rachel by seducing her husband. HE doesn't take the bait though, but his friend does. It's a very subtle scene, but you can tell that the Rachel's husband is actually a bit jealous that McKenna moved on from him to his friend. Later he asks if Rachel wanted him to sleep with McKenna; reinforcing the point.

McKenna's actions were all orchestrated. Note, she had plans for herself that night and changed them to enact them. And, when Rachel comes home, she makes sure to tell EVERYONE all the details about who she is. McKenna is not a good person regardless of how good she is as a nanny.

Rachel doesn't come out of this unscathed. She's lost 2 good friends probably forever. And her reputation is obviously tarnished if you remember all the looks at the day care center.

Amy: I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!

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> McKenna is not a good person regardless of how good she is as a nanny.

That implies you think she was a bad person. I didn't get that at all. I got that she was a person who had been hurt by Rachel and was lashing out. She wasn't Gandhi, to expect her to take that kind of emotional hit without hitting back is unrealistic.

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I got that she was a person who had been hurt by Rachel and was lashing out. She wasn't Gandhi, to expect her to take that kind of emotional hit without hitting back is unrealistic.


Bull. You don't have to 'lash out' when someone does something bad to you. Choosing revenge is a bad thing and it's something a lot of people think is okay to do, pretty much in every instance. It can make you a bad person to do so especially if the consequences can ruin lives.

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Rachel knew full well what McKenna did for a living before hiring Her as A NANNY. It was deplorable to suddenly flip the switch on her and treat her like garbage just bc she got super uncomfortable w a decision SHE HERSELF had made. I thought that was so despicable! McKenna had put so much thought and effort into watching the girls at their princess party and what she does in her private life would HARDLY have made any difference whatsoever to her ability to watch the children! Totally judgmental and hypocritical given that Rachel got drunk and was goin on and on about how she *beep* so many guys throughout her 20s (many whom she barely knew n "just couldn't say no" mind u...) yet she acts holier than thou when McKenna does the same (actually not even as bad as that given she only had two regular clients) but gets money for it? Ugh. At least McKenna didn't try n put on a facade! Thought that Rachel totally owed McKenna an apology and needs a slap of reality for her own life! Thou shall not throw stones and all....

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I couldn't have said it better, totally agree.

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Being easy isn't illegal. Being a prostitute is.
You recognized this distinction when you included "but gets money for it?"
Then chose to gloss it over with an "Ugh."
It was worse than Rachel had initially envisioned.
Fair or unfair, she reacted accordingly to that insight.

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Exactly burgundyslip. That scene almost made me choke up. So damn sad. She took giving the girls a princess party to heart.

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I just watched it and also agree. That scene was completely heartbreaking! They brought McKenna into their home and introduced her to their circle of friends. When she was asked to sit the girls Mckenna went out right away and bought all the fun princess girly stuff with her own money and on her own time, and she really put a lot of thought into it.

I may have read a little deeper thinking it would be part of the process of healing the lost child in herself- they would have had the "best night ever". I imagine the little girls would have had so much fun and would have raved about McKenna for weeks. She would have been asked back again, and it could have opened up new doors and opportunities for her.

Instead they basically told her that she wasn't good enough, in a way saying (without actually saying it) that she is only good enough to be a whore. McKenna was brutally honest about what she did for money, but didn't let it necessarily define her, she had a good heart. Rachel was such a hypocrite, if they really wanted to help her they would have trusted her and accepted her into the group rather than shun her. They all displayed deplorable personality traits, at least McKenna was honest about hers.

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I think McKenna was the best part of the film. Rachel was incredibly selfish. She wasn't bored, she was depressed. She used McKenna to make her feel good about herself only to kick her out on the street.

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I liked Rachael, thought I could really like her much more than that but there was something missing
I didn't really care abt McKenna, it didn't seem true to me that she was that nice and good
I found the portrayal of a stripper in "Welcome To The Rileys" more accurate than this
I expected her to be defensive when Rachael went to talk to her the first time outside the strip club
but she seemed nice, she took care of the lil kid and she was so excited abt babysitting the other kids that she bought them presents
I got confused abt it as I didn't expect her to be like that unless she was 15-16 years old maybe
but then I didn't like her at the end
Rachael and her Husband didn't want her to babysit the others' kids, that would've been a disaster as she was a stripper and sex worker and didn't work for any agency and wasn't a nanny
they should've told the others abt that b4 allowing her to babysit for them
they couldn't so they didn't want her to babysit their kids, they didn't kick her out though so they still trusted her with their own kids
think abt what could've happened if she babysat the others' kids and then the parents knew she was a sex worker and not a nanny?
I understand though why she got mad, she was acting nice coz they trusted her and once she thought they stopped trusting her she got angry and acted like that in a way she shouldn't but but she was hurt
but yet she shouldn't get mad or feel hurt, they still trusted her.



"It is never about what happened, it is only how you look at it!"

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McKenna was garbage. She did not have to sleep with Jeff's friend.

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And Jeff was being way inappropriate with her. Does that make him garbage too? Rachel lied from the very start while McKenna never misrepresented herself. I think that she and her client were the only the only decent people we get to know. I think the others didn't like her largely because she didn't feel shame for her profession. Or for needing a profession at 22.

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And Jeff was being way inappropriate with her. Does that make him garbage too?


Yes.

Rachel lied from the very start while McKenna never misrepresented herself.


Rachel was a crappy person as well, but McKenna had a choice as we all do, and she chose to get revenge instead of talking things out or just leaving the toxic situation she was in. McKenna didn't need to go back to prostitution either, as difficult as that might have been. She was in a tough spot all around but trying to seduce Jeff and his friend was never the answer.

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I know this is an old thread, but just wanted to add that McKenna did misrepresent herself she told Rachel she was 19 years old when she is actually much older.

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Fair enough. It's been too long for me to remember why she did that or if that affected anything, but it's certainly a misrepresentation.

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True, but men should be able to discern between right and wrong in that situation.

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liveinjeans good points! I totally agree with you.

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For a Feminist, Jill Soloway has portrayed the biggest form of feminine discrimination in this movie. I have read lots of the messages already and I think most points have been covered. I have never written a comment/message here before, because I have never had reasons to be disappointed.

No one I can’t change the way the movie was made, but I have a suggestion. Write/make an “Afternoon Delight sequel”, which should include a scene of Mckenna explaining her behaviour and one of Rachel being reproached for her behaviour.Or even a short movie. I know I would like to watch it. Afternoon Delight, just not over yet.

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I feel Rachel is a self-centered yet completely self-unaware spoiled and entitled waste of flesh who used McKenna to spice up her life, until she realized she didn’t like it THAT spicy when she went on that date with her. I liked McKenna a lot, and hated how Rachel’s circle treated her. I can’t believe that tubi described this as being a comedy. I found it very moving.

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