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Problem with locking up the castle


There are several problems I saw with the story, but one of the dumbest ones was closing up the castle so nobody but two servants could be in there with the royal family.

This makes absolutely no sense, because in a small kingdom like that, unless the king and queen had an alternate government building to do business in, like a city hall, that castle serves as seat of the Arendellian government. You do not close up the entire castle just because you have a problem with ONE CHILD, supernatural or not. Shutting up a home like that may work for a middle-class family in a suburban neighborhood in America, or maybe a secluded home for a rich family, but it just doesn't work for the most important family in a small kingdom.

I mean, how are you supposed to have council meetings? How are you going to communicate with local officials to find out how the kingdom is doing? How are you to meet with foreign dignitaries? How are you going to conduct trade or other business? What if you have VIP guests? Kingdoms like Arendelle are far too small to be really self-sufficient. Often they only can survive through trade, because usually there's something missing from the area that a nearby country might provide. Living in a fjord is particularly difficult, no matter what era you live in. Not much fertile land, rocky terrain, weather is twice as harsh as normal in the winter, possible storms in summer, and mining anything would be difficult in steep mountain country like that.

The king and queen could have easily given Elsa her own wing of the castle to stay in, with a single trusted servant to see to her needs, and keep it secluded from all other parts of the castle so that business can carry on normally. They also had no reason the close up Anna along with them. Anna could have carried on a normal princess's life and been able to go out.

The only reason they set up this part of the story was so Elsa would feel isolated, and so Anna would end up a very sheltered, ignorant girl. The trouble is, it's a very weak part of the story that doesn't make sense, even from a fairy-tale standpoint.

I think the writers didn't want the setup I would have suggested, because then it would have caused a severe divide between Anna and Elsa. Anna would have had a life outside of the castle, and if Elsa could see her sister in action all the time from a window, she would have gotten jealous, and the relationship between them would have had a nasty wedge driven into it, causing them to become enemies. Anna might also have not fallen for Hans' fake charms as easily as the shut-in Anna did.

Again, the shutting up of the castle makes no sense, so they left it in for the sole reason of helping the story along.

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If you look back on this board several years, you'll see a post from me asking who the hell is running the government, while the royal family is locked into seclusion for 15 years!

Maybe there was a regent who ran the government or fulfilled non-governmental royal duties while Elsa was a minor, and tutors who came and taught her history and law and how to act like a queen, and ladies maids who did the princesses hair and seamstresses who fitted them for clothes... and none of them were ever shown in the movie.

I mean I like the movie, but lets not pretend the plot ever makes any concessions to believability.

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You are worried about COUNCIL MEETINGS?!

They rule with IRON FIST, there is no council! Everyone must do the king's and queen's bidding, or heads will roll!

All kidding aside, this is one of the least of this movie's problems, there are SO many reasons why the story can't happen the way it does, it boggles the mind. Also, the parents are worse than ANY parents in 'Supernanny' ever.

They are TOLD exactly what they need to do, so they do the opposite. Frozen Pitch Meeting is right on point.

However, what I have said about this movie still stands; this movie has HEART, lots of it, and despite almost nothing making any sense, I can't hate this movie, it's beautiful in so many ways and on so many levels, and the songs are absolutely fantastic, much better than I ever could have thought... I have never liked the idea of songs in a cartoon, it seems like lazy padding to me, and corny cartoon songs are just so boring and useless when you have listened to Mozart's interesting structural flows and immersed yourself in Fusion Jazz's refreshingly different experimentations (together with progressive rock, of course), and even heard some special, 12-inch versions of even 'popular songs'..

The songs in Frozen are just something else. If anything is 'magical', these songs truly are. They even interlace them skillfully, one song can have splinters from other songs, so each song is almost a partial conglomeration of multiple other songs... brilliant!

I must also note how sublime the singing is, it's enough to evoke imagery of angelic choirs in higher planes blessing the listener with their mesmerizing beauty that touches the deepest parts of the soul of the murkiest grumpy grunt.



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lsn't "Frozen" supposed to be a Disney adaptation of "The Snow Queen" and as such, follows the original storyline?

Except that in "The Snow Queen" Elsa (although she wasn't called Elsa) was evil, and they made her nicer in "Frozen".

l agree though, that locking Elsa in her room for her entire childhood is pretty bad parenting and it's a miracle she came out of it so well.

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The original storyline did not involve two Princesses that were sisters. The story's main focus was on two peasant children, Gerda and Kai, and mostly focused on the adventures of Gerda traveling through the different magical kingdoms to rescue her beloved Kai from the Snow Queen.

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Ah okay, l stand corrected. lt's interesting though, people looking into "Frozen" so deeply, l never really did until l read these posts.

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