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MLK was assassinated in 1968 and there was a civil rights movement yet..


all we get are three backdrop scenes with a few glimpses of black people and a few riffs from Hendrix.

The rest is sanitized of all the people of color even though London had plenty of brown folk in 1968. Diana Ross and the Supremes gave a concert in London after the King murder and she stopped and talked about how she was able to walk out the same doors as the white Brits that night while in the U.S. that wasn't always the case and she received a large ovation and was received by the Queen Mother Elizabeth later.
http://www.eabf.org.uk/royal-variety-performance/archive/1960s/1968

The number one influential song of 1968 was Marvin Gaye's "Heard it Through the Grapevine"
and number 4 was Otis Redding's "Dock of the Bay". They could have gone with "everyday People" by Sly and the Family Stone or "Think" by Aretha Franklin. The Minions dancing about like James Brown "I got the Feeling" could have been hilarious. "For Once in my Life" by Stevie Wonder could easily have been fit in there as a love song between Scarlet and the Crown she so badly wanted.

It's pretty insulting and I was seething 😠 by the time of the crown robbery.


At least we got a song from those SUPER influential Monkees though... *snark*

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Having the Minions act to "Heard it Through the Grapevine" would have been classic especially if had references to California raisins. However, I suspect the cost to acquire the rights would have been prohibitive.

The Monkeys, on the other hand was either a parody of itself or so cheap to acquire they couldn't resist.

I won't touch your comments regarding race. I only saw yellow and it was fictional.

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Are there any articles related to why they choose the music they did. Leaving out the Motown Sound is almost a sin!

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Because it is set in England and these were the sounds people were listening to.



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No, the minions made it to New York and road-tripped through America before they went to England. It's like you never saw the movie...

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The majority of it was set in England.



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No more than half and since they were in the U.S. for at least 30 minutes so appropriate music selections for the U.S. were expected. Even while in Britain they played American musical choices.

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That's because American music was popular in the UK at that time. Including Jimi Hendrix who was black.



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I already addressed how we got a few bars of Jimi's music yet that doesn't forgive the exclusion of black people in the main cartoon cast, the villain convention, the road trip, the streets of London, giving no black actors a voice in a film set in a pivotal year for black U.S. citizens and all of the U.S.

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What was insulting is this ridiculous rant about a fictional animated film. Who the hell is the Queen Mother Elizabeth? I take it you're from the US as you seem to know very little about England or the music of the time.



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I listened to this music when I was young and if you don't know who the Queen Mother Elizabeth is then you are not from England.
http://www.biography.com/people/queen-mother-elizabeth-9286203

If you don't know about Motown or the diversity of music in the 1968 charts then you are very young or are too stupid to even look at the 1968 music charts where Otis Redding's soul song Sittin on the Dock of the Bay was 4th, an instrumental slow song with violins took 2nd, Bobby Goldsboro's love song Honey was 3rd, and 4th was also another slow love song.

http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=1968

For the sake of the MLK assassination of 1968, the largest riots that ever happened in the U.S., for the civil rights fights that are still going on and for the black father with his child who was hanging his head as he walked out of the theater ahead of me, they could have thrown in some Sly and the Family Stone https://youtu.be/1kzyRM0Sjl8?t=38s

I'm white and I'm getting sick on erasure of black contributions in these movies.

You never even saw the movie from the obvious lack of knowledge of the plot.

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White Lives Matter

White lives have plenty of protection, being the dominant social group in the U.S. and Britain.

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I am from England and it was Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip who would attend the Royal Variety performances. The Queen Mother was simply called that, not Queen Mother Elizabeth. I actually lived in the 60s and that's the sort of music people were listening to. They had the Beatles, Kinks and Stones tracks which were earlier 60s. They also had The Turtles, Box Tops, The Spencer Davis Group, The Doors stuff people were listening to a lot. They also had Jimi Hendrix who was black. If you want to discuss the civil rights movement do it on the Politics board, not on the board for a fictional animated family film. If you want to complain, do it to the makers of the film. I saw the film last weekend with family.


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Queen Elizabeth II did not attend that performance. And yes she was known as "The Queen Mother, Elizabeth", "The Queen Mother" and "Queen Mother Elizabeth".

Also, the Minions were IN AMERICA on a road trip from New York to Florida. You obviously did not see the movie or you would know this plot point. The music heard in 1968 was not just the kind of music you list, even in Britain, as is seen in the Billboard 100 hot list I linked which you seem to have completely ignored. Even while in Britain the movie musical choices included American music so this is a moot point.

And this is indeed an appropriate place to discuss the lack of racial sensitivity of THIS film. Looking at the cast there isn't one black actor in the bunch. In a movie that moves through 1968, civil rights, MLK and massive unrest we get not a single black actor and a few back ground black animated characters with not a single line.

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are you equally offended by the madea movies not including whites and asians?





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But they do include whites and you obviously never seen one if you think they don't.

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No she was always known as the Queen Mother. I said most of it was set in England. As for the music I was going by what was played a lot at the time. The Billboard 100 is for music in the US isn't it? Use the politics board, as here you come across as a lunatic.


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She's not known as the Queen Mother to Americans.

This is the appropriate place to go after a movie that showed no regard for black history of 1968 and no regard for black citizens who wish to take their kids to see a movie where black people are not invisible.

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As I said politics board. Now. You'll feel right at home there, its where other members of the lunatic fringe hang out.



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And you are wrong to try and hide a legitimate discussion of this movie's exclusion of minorities on a sub board.

This is the appropriate venue for this discussion and I've seen your posting history; you're quite the posting lunatic.

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This is the appropriate place to go after a movie that showed no regard for black history of 1968 and no regard for black citizens who wish to take their kids to see a movie where black people are not invisible.

Well then there is a simple solution: they should take their children to see ANOTHER movie. I don't go to children's animated films to be confronted with American black history and figures like Martin Luther King or Malcolm X. It's the same as taking your white children to a movie and complaining that Michiel de Ruyter isn't featured prominently. WHY NO DUTCH CULTURE IN MAH MOVIE???

This is a movie about odd little yellow creatures and ridiculous supervillains. It has barely any basis in real history and certainly shouldn't be used as some sort of vehicle to showcase the history of ethnic minorites in one specific country on Earth.

Because let's face it, you don't give Jack **** about the history of the Slavs or the Vietnamese or the French or the Turks. This is just an angry rant about the supposed snubbing of black people in the USA, a country where most of the film doesn't even take place to begin with.

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Your analogy about the Dutch was ridiculous and logical fallacies of false equivalencies and faulty comparison. Michiel de Ruyter was from 1600's and fought against the British in the Americas and British Isles. His descendants in the U.S. are very few and very white. While the descendants of African slaves make up to 60 million citizens of the U.S. in full or partial admixture.
Black people are citizens in the U.S. AND Britain in 1968 and they had 6 characters onscreen for about 10 seconds. Blacks of Britain were also snubbed along with black music that was very popular in 1968.
Diana Ross and the Supremes were performing for the Royals and there were tears shed over MLK's assassination in 1968.

I was not asking for any black history to be shown and black American's spend more per capita than white Americans at the theaters so their money should get representation. IF they actually pull off the boycotts that are being discussed in planning groups on Facebook then the movie industry will see a terrible winter this year...

-I'm asking for black faces to have been seen among the villain convention.
-I'm asking for a black actor to have had a speaking role in the movie.
-I'm asking for a central character to have had a black or brown face.
-I'm asking for some popular Motown hits to be played in a movie like this.

If you can name the Slav, Vietnamese, French (they are white and of the original colonizers in the U.S. so that'd be impossible) or Turkish fight for civil rights movements that occurred in the U.S. then please do so. 1968 was a pivotal year for the Black Civil Rights movement and not for any other ethnic group in the US of that time.

Let's face it. YOU don't give a *beep* about black people and prefer the company of only other whites and to have your TV shows and movies with blacks whitewashed out....

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I'm American and I've never known her as anything but the Queen Mother.

You might get away with the "Queen Mother, Elizabeth", but never without the comma signifying Elizabeth as her name and not part of her honorary title.

Minions is not a movie that should concern itself with black history any more than it should concern itself with Bobby Kennedy's assassination> Get off your stupid soapbox.


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I wrote this in another thread here but to me the most offensive part was the white humanoid creature (first human?), even if every other thing can be disputed or debated.. this is typical whitewashing history 1:01

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That part I didn't have as much trouble with since they were in northern Europe where the Neanderthals did have white skin and passed it on to the African homo-sapiens settlers who inter-bred with them as they arrived. White skin is an adaption for survival in low-sunlight cold regions.

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But wasnt the humanoid presented as "the first human" ?

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I sort to think you go through life seething. Probably the only way you think you can get ahead, to seethe and sue, since you're probably angry and talentless. Although you're a pretty good writer / speller person. Too bad. Such a waste. (Do you hate Shakespeare too because of what he did with Othello?)

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MLK and civil rights movement is an American thing. this movie takes place mostly in London, England. England never had a civils right movement or equivalent like that. They solved things in a more civilized manner.

Furthermore, the population of the 70s Enland was far more white than 70s America, largely because slave ownership was outlawed hundreds of years ago and as a result very few were imported to the isle, leaving only natural migration numbers.


What is actually pretty insulting is that you are trying to insert race politics into a movie about fictional creatures in a world ruled by villians in clearly fictional earth.




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