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Adele's character graph was inconsistent


Adele, at the start, is into books and seemed to say interesting things like
(to the first guy she dated, at coffee table) how over-analysis of a book
tends to kill her imagination. And also she fell for someone who is an artist
and an intellectual.

It was difficult to understand that she could actually be happy
and satisfied creatively, just tending to kids as a nursery school
teacher.
And suddenly, when she is living with Emma, she is all so domesticated,
cooking and cleaning.

It was as though the director suddenly turned an intelligent person
into someone who didn't care for nourishment of her mind. It looked like
all she wanted was to earn money, be a caretaker and have great sex.

I felt sorry for her that she was alone but I felt like I respected her
less because suddenly she was this person who didn't seem to have any
interesting things to do, think or say..

The director didnt have to kill her intelligence, to get her to disconnect
with Emma's friends and subsequently Emma. She could have been
a person of substance and still felt not necessarily buying into Emma's world. The character graph was very reductive.

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I feel like you make an interesting analysis, but I see the reduction in Adele's artistic pursuits as being probably intentional. Sometimes, the looming pressures of adulthood can be so great to bear, that a person with a lot of artistic potential will find themselves in a very businesslike job just to earn a living. Similarly, did you notice the way Adele's working class family shunned Emma's desire to be a graphic artist or painter? Adele's father can barely conceal his disdain for Emma and he even says something along the lines of "it's practically impossible to financially support yourself as an artist". I'm sure there was pressure on Adele to adopt a standard, systemic career that wasn't at all artful or expressive. Adele, being a lover of education, probably saw teaching as the next best thing in her life. Ultimately, she adopted a way of living that probably did smother her at times, but it was realistic: she cooked, she cleaned, she made love, and she worked. Similar to the regular adult, I guess.

Or perhaps Adele wasn't the type to express herself. Or didn't have the confidence or freedom like Emma. Maybe she just wanted to be a good teacher, and educate her young pupils, projecting her love of reading and writing onto them. Either way, I do agree with you, it's a sad state of affairs to see that Adele chose to leave her artistic talent (she had a passion for literature and creative writing, if I remember rightly) to live a "normal" existence, probably more so because of the pressures of society and her family who are clearly very work orientated.

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Thanks for your nice reply.

You did bring up an interesting point about how Adele's family
was more conservative and practical. And how that could have
influenced Adele's mindset. But in the movie, she actually claims
that she is happy to Emma, when Emma suggests that she pursue
her writing. And I could not see how tending to kids all day
long brought her happiness ? I fail to see how she as someone
who had an artistic leaning could be just happy in that very
simplistic way of life.

If the director had not shown her previously to be someone who
read a lot of books and liked literature and stated her opinions,
I would have understood Adele as someone else.
But perhaps then she wouldn't be a very interesting character.

Part of the charm of being with Emma
was that Emma was into art and knew a lot and subsequently I can
imagine Adele being intimidated in the circle of her friends.
Which probably eventually led to the decadence of their relationship.
I would have appreciated it better if the director had
depicted the transition. Because, suddenly you see Adele serving Emma's
friends at a party and Emma being close to Lise. And its difficult
to fathom that Emma perhaps couldn't connect with Adele on a
more intellectual arty level.

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Because, suddenly you see Adele serving Emma's
friends at a party and Emma being close to Lise. And its difficult
to fathom that Emma perhaps couldn't connect with Adele on a
more intellectual arty level.


I guess Adele was supposed to have the talent to become a great published writer, but she was so young! Even at the beginning, she admits not to understand philosophy or know much about art, so she is more like a novel reader, keeps a diary and likes Hollywood movies (typical teenager). Emma's friends are all older, have studied more (the girl discussing Klimt with her at the party was supposed to be pursuing a Ph.D. on Art or something).
Also, Adele during the dinner with Emma´s mom and stepdad stated that she was sure that she wanted to be a teacher and wanted to get practice not to end up jobless after college. She did not have the need or will to start writing fiction like Emma was suggesting her to do. She just wanted to be with her. Adele had too many insecurities, which is normal for her age.

I could see Adele turning into a great writer of children´s books, after she got older, of course.


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I agree with this and would add that Adele was pretty impulsive from the get go so I totally bought her changing ideals.

"Some men are coming to kill us. We're gonna kill them first." 

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I agree.






"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"

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Emma would have completely agreed with you: she didn't seem to understand Adele's choice of not pursuing an artistic career.

I saw Adele's love for books more as a desire to explore and appreciate than some creative need. Most books lovers or film lovers out there are not aspiring writers / directors. I think Adele was quite happy with her work, she never seemed annoyed at her children, and talked with joy of how it feels helping the ones behind.

But I really like your point about how we almost see her as two different people before and after she fell in love with Emma. My take on it is that Adele didn't at all change, she kept reading, but she felt stupid and reduced around Emma and her friends discussing painters, philosophy, and symbolism. It takes them one question to write her off - 'What do you do?', no follow ups. Then they move to the profound thesis of some fine arts scholar and Adele's out of her depth.

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Well, I can imagine the situation you describe easily, in the sense that yes, Adele must enjoy books but doesn't care to become a writer or have artistic aspirations.

My basic problem is with director's choice to give her an occupation of "just"
a primary school teacher. Somehow the director "reduced" her and her capabilities. And it was also not consistent with the person she 'seemed' to be before falling in love with Emma.
The consequence of her simple life : an ordinary job + taking care of food/home,
is rather easy to imagine. Obviously she is going to end up feeling lonely and disconnected with Emma. And you doesnt even feel like sympathizing with Adele really, because her existence seems nearly hollow and vapid.

What I think would have been more interesting is to have retained Adele as a person of substance and with non-trivial thoughts. Maybe she was a high school teacher instead. Had an important world of her own.

And still, a disconnect between Emma and Adele could have happened, because they both are busy and dont have a common ground of exchange. Emma's friends still would not care for what Adele does. But nonetheless Adele would understand the importance of her own world. For such a scenario, the dynamics would have been different and more interesting I think.

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My take on it is that Adele didn't at all change, she kept reading, but she felt stupid and reduced around Emma and her friends discussing painters, philosophy, and symbolism. It takes them one question to write her off - 'What do you do?', no follow ups. Then they move to the profound thesis of some fine arts scholar and Adele's out of her depth.

I think you've hit the nail on the hand. Adele probably felt Emma's friends had given their whole lives to art and suddenly felt inferior. She was probably frightened she'd diminish herself by trying to compete with them when they clearly knew so much about it. She was younger than Emma and her friends, from a more simplistic background, and probably felt some levels of intimidation being around so many libertine hipster art-lovers. Sort of like she could not compete. She's an introverted girl, she probably had a lot more to express than Emma's friends, she just didn't know how to reveal it amongst all these accomplished painters and students.

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My basic problem is with director's choice to give her an occupation of "just"
a primary school teacher.


Sorry if I'm misremembering, but I thought Adele said at one point that she would like to teach kids?

So I had the conclusion that she was exactly where she wanted to be, except of course without Emma.

On edit: just noticed that someone else in another thread also remembers her saying she loves kids and would like to teach, so that was true.

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I think that some of those artistic/ creative impulses were satisfied once Adele fell in love with Emma. Adele at first had so much yearning to experience more out of life, but once she was in her relationship, she didn't need to explore or express as much. She didn't know that she could be fulfilled in other ways.

Also, I think it's kind of insulting to say she was "just" a teacher - the vast majority of people aren't artists and writers but that isn't to say their lives don't have less meaning or that they're less fulfilled. In Adele's case, she found fulfillment in teaching and relationships, and if that's enough for her, then great.

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Ah.. The "just" was for being "primary" school teacher. It's not meant to be insulting. But tending to kids while challenging is not a creatively satisfying job. It could be made to be. But from the scenes in the movie, she was doing nothing special. A regular intellectually low demanding work.

As time has passed by since I watched the movie, I see more in what others on this thread have saying. That perhaps it was all intentional. The director wanted to convey how relationships don't sustain when though it can be great physically, it can fizzle out if there is no intellectual compatibility. But I know what I meant earlier as well.. What made Adele a person with intellectual capabilities be happy with a simplistic life style not clear.. The movie needed more work in this aspect and then it would have been truly a gem.

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Well I sure as hell am glad she became a teacher, a really useful, fun and challenging occupation, rather than another crackpot, deadbeat French "intellectual".

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A regular intellectually low demanding work.


Try to teach kids how to write. That is immense work to get them from writing circles and lines to being literate. She also handled herself very well in the classroom and the kids loved her. She even taught the course for kids with special needs, which is a huge challenge. Many people have doctoral studies in Education and cannot teach a child anything. She knew the path and followed it - she got experience in real pedagogy.

Just because you think that there is no depth or intellectual work in preschool teaching, it does not mean that there is not. A person with her talent could also be a college professor in child pedagogy or psychology. She was still young to become an academic. She just did not want to be the boho writer type, living in a basement until her breakthrough moment came and she became a pseudo-intellectual celebrity. I think her portrait was honest.

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Who was the school girl who first kissed Adele sitting on the steps?????

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I kind of feel the same way as the OP.

yajji's response is well put, though, and that could serve as a good explanation for her radical shift. Also, the Trivia Section on IMDB says there was a rather crucial scene that was deleted from the film - her parents catch her in bed with Emma and kick Adele out. Which explains why we suddenly see Adele (still a high school student) already out there in the work force, much earlier than expected.

She may have chosen the teaching field as the next best practical thing, as she now has to make a living. And it could be a commentary on how social pressures stifle many loftier dreams.

One disappointment I had, though, is that much of the dialogue in this film was improvised. I never really got the sense Adele was a precocious, voracious reader. She had academic curiosity according to the earlier scenes, but that's also different from being well read. Her dialogue throughout the film sounded straightforward...sometimes even trite.

If anything, Emma and her friends were the ones who sounded like they read a lot. Admittedly, those actors were all older. But still, it's possible to see a vivacious intelligence in someone around 15-18 (they speak and think well beyond their years). I never really got that from the character of Adele, even though Emma constantly talked about how great a writer Adele was.

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