I'm on s4 and I don't watch chicago PD or chicago med yet..and it annoys me when they do crossovers cuz I never know how it ends..I'm all for everyone guest starring on each others shows..or the way Buffy the vampire slayer and angel did it..which ever show u were watching those are the ppl you see..am I the only one who thinks this?
shareI like the crossovers when they just include the Chicago shows. It's much more believable they'd have crossovers since they're in the same city and they're all first responders.
I absolutely do not like when SVU is included in the crossovers. It just seems so forced. SVU has a completely different tone and pace than the Chicago series, but they keep trying to include it like fitting a square peg in a round hole. Different sexual crimes just have to include Intelligence in Chicago and SVU in NYC. Just, no.
SVU is on its way out, and does not need to be dragging any of the Chicago shows down with it. With the fourth Chicago show starting, next spring, I hope it's the end of SVU.
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I actually disagree with you about SVU, I love it and yes some people may think that it's outdated and has been on for "too" long, but it is still getting strong ratings even after 17 years...and if you actually compare SVU's ratings with Chicago PD's, SVU still gets higher ratings than PD alot of the times. So I doubt NBC would cancel it anytime soon and I hope not...I've been a fan of SVU for many years and I would rather want SVU to continue. Apart from CF, I don't care about any of the other Chicago shows and rarely do I watch them, so I would rather want NBC to cancel those other Chicago shows that I don't give a damn about and leave SVU on.
personally I think the Chicago franchise is so bloated, clearly Dick Wolf is trying to milk this franchise for all its worth while it's still relatively new and fresh, and now with Chicago Law, I think it's overkill, and I probably wouldn't watch Law either. The Chicago franchise is obviously a big cash cow for Wolf in recent years, I'm glad I'm smart enough to not fall for this gimmick.
SVU has lasted for 17 years and still going strong, let's see how long the Chicago franchise can hold up...CF has only been on air for about 4 years now, honestly I'd be really surprised if this franchise could last for more than 10 years though.
We'll just have to wait and see.
SVU has fallen out of favor with me because the writing has gotten less original. More and more of the stories are based on recent real events. And it used to be, when watching during it's prime seasons, that you could hardly tell the real life event they were basing the stories on. These days, you can tell right off the bat with the Ray Rice story, or the Slenderman case, and so on. And if the stories aren't ripped from the headlines, it's about Olivia and her son. It's the Olivia character who has now become the Mary Sue on that show, and can do no wrong. And some of the episodes that air have nothing to do with sex crimes a all, like the cop shooting episode last year. When a show loses it's originality in writing, that's when it needs to go.
And when having to watch a crossover with P.D., there's just no chemistry between the casts. It just seems so forced.
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Is anything really "original" nowadays? Just about every show borrows ideas for its storylines from others, I have watched too many shows in my life to count and I can say that all of them have used cliches and typical ideas in many of their stories that have been used over and over again, nothing is truly "original" anymore.
And the Law & Order franchise has always borrowed stories and ideas from real-life events and uses stories that have been ripped from the headlines as influences, it has always been like this. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with that because I certainly don't keep myself updated with real-life crime stories, I wouldn't even know about most of the real-life crimes that some of their stories were influenced on, so seeing these stories sort of fictionalized and re-imagined on the show is interesting for me.
And SVU is not always just about sex crimes, if you pay attention, the SVU squad also typically investigates child abuse cases and any crimes that involves the welfare of children and other types of special cases, and rarely do they investigate "ordinary" crimes (for a lack of a better word). But about 99.99% of the time, SVU is still focused on either sex crimes or child abuse or child neglect cases, meaning the show still mainly focuses on the types of crimes that it is suppose to be about.
And SVU will stay on air as long as its ratings remain steady and strong, which it is, hence I doubt NBC would cancel it anytime soon, I can see SVU lasting for at least a few more seasons. And like I said before, I have been a fan of SVU for many years and I would rather watch SVU than PD...only watching PD during the crossovers is enough for me. There are even speculations saying that Dick Wolf might even consider rebooting the original Law & Order series, which I would be happy with if they do decide to reboot the original series.
But I will agree with you to some extent about Olivia Benson though, she's been getting a lot of focus on the show ever since she became the squad leader and has become abit of a Mary Sue...even though she still made some mistakes on the show, like in last season she accidentally got Det. Dodds Jr killed, so her "doing no wrong" is not completely true, but on the other hand she also gets away with a lot on the show. I wish there was less focus on Olivia and more on the other characters...but overall, I still love SVU in general. Just like how I still love CF even despite the fact that I hate Dawson and think she's such an annoying and obnoxious character. In every show you watch, there's bound to be at least 1 character that you might not like, but that doesn't necessarily affect how you feel about the shows in general. There is always at least 1 character I dislike in every TV show I watch, but that doesn't stop me from watching them because the positives still outweighs the negatives for me.
I know they borrowed stories, but they were less obvious about it. And the writing was so good, that it wasn't so obvious that it was a story. Like the Season 5 episode "Mean." There was nothing revealing about the story it originated from. And it turns out it was based on the Shanda Sharer murder that happened 12 years earlier, when her two friends killed her. It was not that obvious at all.
These past few years, the episodes have been quite obvious as to what stories they were based on. Glasgowman's Wrath was a verbatim rip off from the headline. Season 16's "Spousal's Privilege" was obviously Ray Rice. Season 14's "Girl Dishonored" was obviously based on Steubenville High School rape case. They've all become so obvious as to what they're referencing.
Through the first 12 seasons, that was not the case at all. Yes, they were based on real events, but you could hardly tell which event was being referenced, and the previews sure as hell didn't give it away. That was good writing. That's what I'm getting at. And that's what's really lacked for the past 3-4 seasons.
That's why the show has really fallen out of favor with me, and I don't even set my DVR for it anymore. And when it clashes with PD in crossovers, I really hate it. Because P.D. is based on real stories from active and former Chicago cops, who make sure the scripts are as close to the real thing as possible (Something Chicago Fire has completely gotten away from completely) And as I said, the chemistry between the two casts just doesn't fit. The SVU is a lot more rigid than the Intelligence unit. And in my opinion, SVU slows PD down. That's why I'd prefer if SVU stays away from Chicago in its own universe. And the Chicago shows can stay in their own universe.
But we'll agree to disagree on that.
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It really depends on the viewer...for me personally, some stories in SVU are very obvious that they were influenced by real-life crimes, and many others don't, because as I said before I tend to be oblivious about most of the real-life crime stories that the show is influenced from, there are some real-life crime stories that I did know about beforehand and they were very obvious influences. But most others I didn't know about beforehand and only knew that they were based on real-life crimes AFTER I've watched the episodes. Maybe it's because I don't live in America, so most of the real-life crimes that some of SVU's stories are based on were not reported in my country, so I was oblivious about most of them beforehand, hence it doesn't bother me most of the time. If I'm correct, most if not all the real-life crimes that SVU take inspiration from were all committed in America right? It would make sense if most of these crimes tend to not be reported in other countries.
I don't mind the crossovers between SVU and PD (and sometimes they include CF into the mix) but like all crossovers with Chicago, it bothers me when they make too many of these crossovers...it's annoying especially when I usually don't watch the other shows that they cross over with. For me personally, whenever they make a crossover with SVU and PD, it's PD that's dragging SVU down for me, because I really don't care about any of the PD characters, the only reason I watch PD (and Med) is only because of the crossovers with shows that I DO like, and in this case it's either SVU or CF or both (depending on which shows are included in the crossovers). If it were not for all these crossovers, I would not even bother with PD (and Med) at all. The only reason I watch these crossovers with SVU is because of SVU's involvement, otherwise I wouldn't bother with PD.
However it is true that both shows have different tones to each other, the relationship and the chemistry among the SVU team is different to PD and SVU is a more darker show IMO, so when you team these 2 shows up it seems a little awkward. I'm guessing the only reason they make crossovers with SVU is because SVU was also created by Dick Wolf, having the same creator for all these shows is the only link between them, and the only possible reason why they would constantly make crossovers between SVU and the Chicago shows.
But yes we will have to agree to disagree.
Adding SVU to the crossovers is like topping off an icecream sundae with gravy...
shareLOL I like ice cream and I like gravy...but both of them together is a bad combination...I don't mind the crossovers with SVU per se, but I just think it's an awkward pairing because both shows have different tones and it's just not necessary. I prefer the Chicago shows to remain in its own universe and SVU remain in its own world...the only reason they make these crossovers with SVU is because of Dick Wolf.
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And it's so far-fetched with how SVU is involved. CFD just happens to find a victim or evidence that looks like part of a crime. They pass it off to Intelligence, and it just happens to be linked with an open SVU case in NYC. And now SVU has to fly to Chicago to solve it, or vice versa with Intelligence. Just outside of the realm of reality.
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I watch SVU too, but still don't like when they crossover with the Chicago shows. Always seems like such a reach. I'm fine with the Chicago shows crossing over and actually enjoy it, because I follow them all. I can see where it would be annoying if you're not watching all of them, or for people who watch later on DVD. Seems unfair you don't get the whole story.
shareI have mixed feelings about crossovers within the Chicago franchise...
On one hand I do like the occasional major crossover they have with the other Chicago shows and I don't mind them crossing over with SVU sometimes since I love SVU also, and it's good to see characters/actors from the different Chicago shows interacting with each other.
But on the other hand, it annoys me when these crossovers become too much...usually CF would have at least 1 major crossover with other shows every season, but S3 in particular had 3 major crossovers and to me that was a bit too much and overkill. Especially since some characters from the other Chicago shows frequently guest appear on CF anyway, so we don't need to have so many crossovers, just 1 major crossover every season is enough for me since I usually do not watch the other Chicago shows anyway.
The main problem with the crossovers is that they happen too much. Having 3 crossover events in one season just makes no sense. They've done it so much that the novelty has worn off.
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Yes, I love crossovers. I watch all the Chicago shows and I even started watching SVU when I heard they would be doing crossovers. The crossovers with SVU and all the Chicago shows seem forced and should be limited to one a year or just SVU crossing over with CPD which makes the most sense (Hank and Olivia's relationship). There are also small crossovers like Fire cast members showing up when there is a fire on the other shows, or CPD for police scenes, or Med for hospital scenes. And then all the characters meet at Molly's. These scenes are usually just for continuity purposes (it makes more sense to see Severide show up when the fire department is called rather than some extra).
shareSeveride has appeared in enough crossovers already and he always tends to get big roles in these crossovers...what about Casey? He also gets top billing, is the other co-lead character of CF, and is also the same rank as Severide in firehouse 51, and yet he has only appeared in a few crossovers and most of them were just brief cameo appearances. Casey deserves to appear in more crossovers and needs bigger roles in those crossovers. I've seen enough of Severide and Dawson in all these crossovers, they have more than enough attention and focus on CF as it is already.
shareThe sheer number of crossover episodes each season is beyond ridiculous. If I wanted to watch those other shows I would.
Ya I agree..I think maybe every season finale be a crossover to be a big finale...HOWEVER that would only work if one watched ALL shows..If they didnt and it was a finale they would have to watch the other shows to see how it ends (or started..depends on which one they watch). Unless it would be like a 3 hour finale and show each one back to back but as one show...
shareCF usually only have 1 major crossover in each season which is ok with me...the only exception was S3 which had 3 crossovers, which was ridiculous and too much IMO...but I'm glad they went back to having just 1 major crossover for S4, and I hope they will stick with just 1 crossover per season.
I excluded S1 because CF was the only show in the Chicago franchise back then.
Nope. I don't like it.
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