porn is bad but vibrators okay?

I'm not sure that the kind of women who hate porn have vibrators

Not hypocritical, it's a "double-standard" men have to accept about women. It's all about give to get.
Give up one thing she hates so you can enjoy all of the rest.

Yep, that's a "emancipated" (i.e. female orientated) society for you.

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The movie was not saying that porn was bad. Jon (accurately) argued that every guy watches porn, his friend agreed, and Esther (I suppose she could be seen as the film's sexual voice of reason) also agreed, and even offered him some porn.

The argument in the movie was that Jon's approach to porn was unhealthy, which is true.

Same type of arguments could be made about alcohol: alcohol is not a bad thing, but some people have unhealthy relationships with it.

It sounds like the people on this thread...I'm going to assume they are men...have the sense that women in general think that porn is bad.

First of all, yes, some women think that, and it's unfortunate. Just as some men think that women who enjoy sex are sluts. Screw those people, they suck.

Secondly, many of us women recognize that all men watch porn sometimes, and we are okay with that. Some of us even like being a part of it with our guys.

Third, in my personal opinion, the concept of porn is not bad, and I think that porn should continue to be available and used. However. The current mainstream style of porn is in fact problematic. Far too much of it does exactly what this movie says: it removes the idea that your sexual partner is a human being with needs and a personality and whatnot, and that has led to (and research backs this up) strained sexual interactions between men and women. In addition, not enough porn is made for women. We should have porn too.

Or wait, sorry, tl;dr? Dudebros, haven't you ever had a conversation with an actual woman?

To answer the title of your OP more than the post itself, porn comes with connotations of Peeping Tom-ism and perhaps even enjoying the debasement of others. Sex toys (with the exception of sex dolls) are "person- neutral." They don't objectify the other gender.

I also can't help noticing your juxtaposition of "plastic penis" on the one hand, with "female anatomically correct toy" on the other. Assuming you had in mind a sex doll, among other things, do you think a plastic penis is fully equivalent to a sex doll in terms of, say, moral or social repercussions?

I don't see the two things are parallel. A vibrator is a device meant to facilitate masturbation. It doesn't provide fantasy images, and I doubt women think of it as a "substitute penis" - it just makes the job easier. If there's no vibrator available, a woman will use her hand. Is her hand also a parallel for porn, just like the vibrator? But the man watching porn is also using his hand to masturbate. If he doesn't have porn available, he can still masturbate, just like the woman can. There's no real equation between the two things.

A few women object to their boyfriends or husbands watching porn because they consider it "cheating," but I think most object for other reasons. Watching porn isn't just watching sex, it's watching something that (in the opinion of many) tends to insult and demean women in a sexual context. I don't think plastic vibrating eggs demean men. It's just not the same thing.

This is an entirely different subject, but I think a closer parallel (and the one the movie briefly identified) is the one between Jon's porn and Barbara Sugarman's attachment to romance fiction. Both give unrealistic images of male-female interactions. Both, in the cases of Jon and Barbara, have become a substitute for real life relationships, because they're "better than" the real thing. Both have caused these two people to be dismissive and evasive with real partners because they don't live up to the fantasy images in their chosen escape fiction. Both have helped ruin them for any satisfying long term relationship with a man or woman. And for the purposes of your argument, porn is more popular with men and romance with women; and it's probably a common idea that porn is bad but romance fiction is okay. Porn vs romance fiction makes a much better comparison, I think.


Tell me the truth. Are we still in the game?

Getting off watching other people f.ck vs getting off with an inanimate object. Hmmm...
Can't you tell the difference?