I just don't buy it


None of it. None of the character development conclusions in the finale. Let's look at the characters separately:

Teddy

I would've believed such a drastic sea-change in his character and demeanour in maybe 5 years time, after lots of AA, anger management classes and lots more therapy. Did the writers forget that he had an urge to finish off Daniel with a ceramic figurine AND beat a customer to a pulp back in S2?

Tawney

A nursing degree sounds great. Not only fitting for the character, but very practical: it's one of the few professions guaranteeing lifelong employment.

But Doctors Without Borders is just too rough for a sensitive, hugely empathetic introvert. She'd end up with a dozen adopted foreign children because she'd get so attached, or at least she would try to adopt them.

The most realistic pathway for her would've been to do a little missionary work in a not too shabby country (I can't imagine her braving PNG), meet and marry another evangelical, and eventually have children when she's ready and accomplished everything she wanted (probably in her 30s). I can also see her fostering children.

Daniel

His progression with therapy is way, way too fast, but I'm OK with his mental state and outlook overall.

The Chloe attachment is forced however, as it has been all season. It just got escalated to even more ridiculous heights in the finale. The Tawney connection has always been much stronger, even if it's just based on actor chemistry.





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Amantha

I can't for the love of whichever deity imagine her actually staying in Paulie long-term. During her time on the show it's been portrayed as a sort of purgatory for her to nurse her depression. I just don't buy her settling for Billy long-term either.

I can see her going to law school and joining Justice Row or become an activist of some sort in that sphere. We saw her book shelf before filled with legal literature that she's been reading for years to facilitate Daniel's release. She immediately knew what Jon's improper counsel clause meant abbreviated. It'd be a waste to discard all that learning or her incredible drive. All she needs is a new cause, or new object within that cause.



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The Deans

Both of them being so cleaned up and functional is jarring. I can maybe see Judy's lucidity being plausible because there are mental conditions in which people have limited periods of appearing 'normal'. But I don't buy Janet's or Jared's easy forgiveness (at least in such cavalier a way). They could at least try to make that scene more strained.

The new and improved Bobby just makes no sense whats over. If he already knew George's piece of information about Trey since his teens, he would've never touched Daniel. It also takes a very rare person to have the capacity to beat someone to near death in broad daylight. This new Bobby is just too gentle and civilised to have ever attempted that.

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If he already knew George's piece of information about Trey since his teens, he would've never touched Daniel.

This bugged me a lot. And I've thought, okay, let's say he didn't conveniently forget Trey went back and he beat Daniel anyway - that would have been a huge revelation and fascinating to explore. A dropped opportunity, in my view.


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Haha your trolling days are over. I see people are ignoring you now all together 😂

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If he already knew George's piece of information about Trey since his teens, he would've never touched Daniel.

Hey, Eva -- how are things down under?

You mention something that also gave me pause. I noted it at the time, but for the sake of staying engaged I decided not to scratch that itch. But it continued to itch, and I trust that instinct. It tells me it wasn't quite right.

On reflection I think it's not so much that he'd have never touched Daniel, but that McKinnon needed to provide a bit of added context to understand it -- and to feel it. I think that would have been fantastic.

I think Bobby's beating Daniel despite knowing what George said is actually a realistic development. What could be more human than knowing something intellectually, but taking action based on a pent-up, frustrated emotional need? How many times have victims, those damaged by others and despairing of finding justice, ganged up on scapegoats despite knowing they are in fact innocent? (See certain current events for evidence.)

I wish that truth had been expressed dramatically in this series.

Bobby needed an outlet because Trey, for whatever reason in his mind, is untouchable. Daniel is the official scapegoat -- the confessed murderer -- and someone like Bobby, ignorant, member of an oppressed class, would easily defer to the official story, not to mention Daniel's own.

He wants to beat Daniel despite what he knows, and doing so aligns with officialdom, if not much of the general community, which wants to crucify him anyway. Bobby can rationalize and even ennoble his base instinct for violent revenge, casting aside reservations born of reason. Just take a few stiff drinks, organize a mob in which the hate becomes a runaway train, and you're off to the races.

All of that would have been fascinating to me. However, I can see the decision to foreshorten Bobby's story based on the concern of not having Bobby compete with Ted Jr., the character in whom much the same frustrations are located, and who has a similar trajectory toward seeing the light. It's one of those incredibly hard creative decisions. How can I expand on Bobby's story without drawing too much energy away from Ted Jr.?

I think one answer (with perfect hindsight), is more interplay between Bobby's and Ted Jr's stories. For Bobby enacts what Ted Jr. craves to do, but isn't free to, for various reasons. He can take nasty sideswipes at Daniel, but he can only beat other people, like the deadbeat customer. It's transferred hatred. He can also take out a gun and shoot the inflated man -- who he knows Daniel related to in some way, and feels he's become the spirit of Daniel's mockery of him. But he cannot beat or kill Daniel.

When shooting the inflated man ends up wounding him, his response is more or less humility. Of course he is also receiving counseling, so the understanding is that the two combine to influence this response. However, it could just as well have made him even more angry, since the source of his frustration -- his wound, now made literal -- is not healed, and in fact you could say it's been rubbed even more raw.

This is where Teddy's own progression starts its forshortening. But imagine one other element coming into play. Imagine him being confronted by the spectacle of himself-as-Bobby-Dean. Almost a kind of inevitable path to a showdown, forced to essentially look in the mirror at this victim, who is now victimizing himself.

Does Teddy want to go down into that pit too? Not much. And that would be why he pulls out of it. Nothing like the horror of seeing the devil in yourself to set you on the better path. There but for the grace of God, go I. Of course, Bobby Dean must then not be allowed his own rapid turnabout in order for Teddy to get the real, ugly picture of himself.

In the aftermath of Bobby's violence, Ted Jr. expresses jealousy, at one point I believe saying that Daniel still manages to get all the attention despite being in a coma. In my view the stage is set for him to confront the perpetrator -- the guy (or spirit) he wants to be, yet should be extremely afraid that he is actually starting to become.

I think that it's theoretically possible to have the cake and eat it too, but one must always be willing to forgive because TV moves so damned fast, and McKinnon did not have a large writers' room. I put this in perspective knowing that often these compromises are not mistakes or laziness, but come down to harsh limitations of time and straight out fatigue.


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Things are quite busy real-life-wise here in kangaroo land, hence my reduced commitment to Rectify discussion. Thanks for asking!

Good point, Whatlarks. He might've still beaten up Daniel for complex psychological reasons, but it needed to be mentioned throughout. Without that it seems like a writer's cop-out.

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Gotta ask, in all fairness: Is it implied that Amantha will be staying in Paulie long-term? Is it implied she'll be with Billy long-term?

Billy seemed good for her. A healing presence. She's always got her dukes up, and he disarms her. He's grounded. Charming. Smart. Funny. Handsome. He can take what she dishes out, and gives as good as he gets yet in a way that doesn't provoke. With her prickly nature she'd be hard to match, and I think she knows that. People are willing to make sacrifices to keep good relationships. I don't know if down the road whatever it develops into will outweigh the downside - Paulie, his contentment with a simple life. But who knows?


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I find this McKinnon excerpt interesting. (From H'Wood Reporter)

Q: So much of that destination relies on character evolution that's very realistic within the story you're telling, but maybe not as literal growth that people could have in a few months of real time. For you, what have the pleasures been of being able to be figurative about these things, being able to be theatrical in a medium that is usually so literal about these things?

"Well said and well thought. It's become such a quote-unquote "literal" world, where every story on the news has some beginning, middle and end and so much of our storytelling is based on real life that the appreciation and need for true fiction and what fiction can do, metaphorically and symbolically, and for hyper-realism or for the playing out of the unconscious, we as human beings still have a need for that and that kind of storytelling and I'm gratified that on some level the audience that we have really really was attracted to this story and all the different avenues that we went down. Long live fiction!"
The questioner's assumption is that the character evolution comes off as "very realistic," but I'm not so sure. Anyway, literal growth vs. figurative -- the challenge of not crossing the line where it comes off as false, not just figurative.

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Teddy chilled out a lot over the course of season 3 when they started doing the counseling and I think he had possibly the only worthwhile arc in season 4. Other than that I agree with you. Tawney did have more chemistry with Daniel and it's kind of strange that Amantha wants to stay in the town and chooses Billy over Jon.

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What is strange about Amantha's choices?


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Choosing to work at a dollar store, that sure is strange.

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You've never been down and out and desperate and reached for something that came your way as a kind of first step, as a way to ground yourself for a new start? Amantha was desperate for some concrete sense of an independent life, a way to build momentum of her own. The opportunity was there, and she nearly walked away from it. But intuition overcame pride.


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The point is that Amantha clearly thinks managing a Dollar Store is beneath her. She's embarrassed by it. But she tells her mother that she, Amantha, probably won't meet Janet's expectations for her....in other words, the Dollar Store is what she will do....for now, anyway.

She doesn't intend to reclaim her life in Atlanta; she's home, at least for the duration. She's interested in Billy, not Jon. That life was all about Daniel; this life is about Amantha. She's content, if somewhat ashamed, to be a Paulie girl again, working in the Dollar Store.

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Reminds me of the best thing about the movie Runaway Train, one of my favourite monologues in any film, delivered with intense passion by Jon Voight. He plays a hardened criminal, speaking to a young arrogant upstart. The irony is that the upstart was played by Eric Roberts, who went on to sabotage his own career, as Voigt had done to his own.

MANNY
I'll tell you what you're gonna do!
You're gonna get a job. That's
what you're gonna do. You're gonna
get a little job. Some job a convict
can get, like scraping off trays at a
cafeteria or cleaning out toilets. And
you're gonna hold on to that job like
gold... because it is gold! Let me tell
you, Jack. That is gold. You listening
to me? And when that man walks in
at the end of the day, and he comes
to see how you done, you ain't gonna
look in his eyes. You're gonna look at
the floor. Because you don't wanna
see that fear in his eyes... when you
jump up and grab his face and slam
him to the floor, and make him scream
and cry for his life. So you look right
at the floor, Jack. Pay attention to this,
motherfucker. And then he's gonna
look around the room -- see how you
done. And he's gonna say, "Oh, you
missed a little spot over there. Jeez,
you didn't get this one here. What
about this little bitty spot?" And you're
gonna suck all that pain inside you...
and you're gonna clean that spot.
And you're gonna clean that spot
until you get that shining clean. And
on Friday, you'll pick up your paycheck.
And if you could do that... you could
be president of Chase Manhattan --
of corporations. If you could do that.


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I agree: great dialogue writing.


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I guess some people really don't understand actually needing a job.

"Oh, I'll be polite. Right up until I'm rude."

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A young family member went to work, not at the local supermarket as his brothers did, where his parents knew the manager, but washing dishes in a pizza restaurant. He didn't ask for any help, getting that job, he just walked in and applied. And he rode a bicycle to work and home, sometimes at midnight, along a dark, heavily trafficked road.

And soon he was cooking pizza.

He wanted an after school and on weekends job....and he, apparently, wanted to get it himself....and he was not too proud to wash dishes.

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I actually thought her pairing with Jon Stern, while believable, was the most untenable and made the most sense when it didn't work out. It was based on their mutual passion for justice, but when that justice was attained, albeit muddled and impure, their connection meant less and less over time. Her trajectory has always been toward re-connection--first, with Daniel and freedom, then with her and family, and finally with her and Paulie. That she finds familiarity and comfort with Billy makes total sense. He's someone to whom she never has to explain herself.

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What are you talking about? At this point, I'm starting to think you're dealing with something other than a TV show.

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Her storyline with billy & her old friend etc this season seems to imply that she'll stay in the town long term and is content with that. Yet she only came back to help Daniel and she was disgusted by the way the people living there turned on Daniel. It's a syrupy sweet ending to have her be over that already and want to remain there.

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It's a syrupy sweet ending to have her be over that already and want to remain there.



But an ending that went with the rest of the finale....and most of Season 4.

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seems to imply that she'll stay in the town long term and is content with that.

I think that's overstated. With Jenny she's healing a significant past relationship, an old wound, which is an important step to moving forward. With Billy she's getting some distance from all-things-Daniel that was bound up in her relationship with Jon, which would have always prevented it from being a clean, free-standing emotional connection. Thrifty Town is also about independence, a temporary foundation for something down the road -- its very unusualness a value because it's a constant emblem of a new and different life. I think there's also an element of that in her new affair with Billy.

Rather than escape the town - i.e., her emotional history - and deny its existence, she's facing it squarely and using what it offers her. I think it would be reasonable to say it's an important stage in her own recovery, but not that it signals a permanent situation.


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Rather than escape the town - i.e., her emotional history - and deny its existence, she's facing it squarely and using what it offers her. I think it would be reasonable to say it's an important stage in her own recovery, but not that it signals a permanent situation.


Really well articulated and completely agree. To me, whilst she's slightly at conflict with the fact that it's 'Thrifty Town', the fact that she's a manager and is successful at the job, and the staff respect her, means something. It would probably help if they could change the store's name!

It's too cerebral! We're trying to make a movie here, not a film!

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I don't know that Amantha wants to stay in Paulie. In fact, I can't see her staying there. Maybe moving to Nashville, if Daniel stays there.

In the meantime she is hanging out with Billy, whom she likes and makes her comfortable, while she figures out what to do next.

I could see all the Holden/Talbot's leaving Paulie in the not too distant future. A lot of painful memories, and probably some anger, over what happened to Daniel's life, and to theirs as well after his conviction.

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Also think that part of what was holding Janet and Amantha in Paulie all these years was the fact that Daniel was in prison. Their realization that they could not go back to being the family they once were after his release due to the damage Daniel had sustained, and the town's continued suspicion of him forced them to reconsider how they were living their own lives.

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I'm not usually very demanding of endings, or necessarily even want loose ends tied up. That said, this had to be the oddest finale I've seen in a long time, though not entirely unexpected given the overall trajectory of the season.

I find it baffling that among the critics only now heaping praise on the show, very few even mention how un-Rectify the finale was.

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it was way too happy to truly be rectify,
hell at every turn i was expecting something to happen in the 11th hour, a game changer,

although i did thoroughly enjoy it,
its hard to say whether daniel dying and getting exonerated for a truly bittersweet ending would have been better, i guess it all depends on how it was executed

i would have been pissed if they cut to him on the leathal injection table and it turned out it was all a dream, or that he died during the bobby dean attack and would up in purgatory, and his purgatory was paulie/nashville, before being reunited with everyone, in the purgatory they created together so they could find each other

but on the other hand, there are only so many variations on and ending any show can take, you can't just pull and 11th hour plot twist for the sake of twisting plot,

its sorta like the infinite monkey theorem or what David Bowie says about music,
its all been done or will done, and done again, there are only so many variables and possibilities, that repetation and predictability become second nature

all of westworlds twists were extremely predictable, but instead of being disappointing the payoff was exciting, even though some of us knew exactly(or close to what was gunna happen)

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The entire final season was optimistic in that all the characters grew, and were portrayed in a positive light. Even Teddy becomes sympathetic. McKinnon himself said he doubted a real Daniel Holden would make it. But the show did set up some of the positive feelings toward Daniel by other characters in previous seasons by showing that Jon and Daggatt were not satisfied with the conclusion that Daniel was guilty.

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Ted Jnr I can believe. All he said was something along the lines of "I'm sorry for everything" and passed the phone to his soon to be ex-wife. I can believe he got to that point because he realized that he and Tawny were pretty on a collision course to over before Daniel even showed up and Daniel just threw fuel on the fire. Also the Sheriff saying he didn't believe that Daniel "did it" as well as Bobby turning up and asking Ted to pass on the message to Daniel that he was sorry nudged Ted into reflecting a bit more. It still wasn't a huge transition so it was believable.

Tawny just said she was wanting/thinking about doctors without borders. Whether she'd be accepted or make it wasn't part of the show, just her expressing her intent/wish. So I can believe that given her character and though I agree that she'd probably find it too rough I can buy that her character would have ideas like that.


Just my opinion but I found the progression of Daniel believable. He's basically just shifted over the 4 seasons from not knowing if he's alive, to realizing he is, going through a pretty pessimistic stage, then finally having a glimmer of hope that maybe he has a chance at some sort of life that he can endure by the finale.


I agree that the connection between him and Chloe felt extremely forced. I found it hard to believe that the character he portrayed who very sensitive to peoples' overall vibe would be attracted to Chloe's almost permanent prissy persona.

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at this point, why bother with spoiler tags,

if anything i found daniels progression a bit fast if you look at the time line,
the whole 30 episodes take place over 6-12 months,

just felt like years

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