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Ok, as Barbara is taking Stella (on the back of her bicycle) to the beach in preparation to set Stella free, we can see there is a Nosy Neighbour who takes notice of Barbara leaving her apartment, and the area. The neighbour is gardening in the dark of night. Now, who (I ask you) does that?
Anyway, let's assume that Ms. Nosy Neighbour reported Barbara leaving with some girl on the back of her bike to her local Stasi spy. If she did that (and why wouldn't she have do that, given the times and location?) then why wasn't Barbara thwarted? I mean why wasn't Barbara's effort to free Stella and possible escape thwarted, immediately?
Of course, I'm thrilled that the character was not arrested, but, given that we saw a nosy neighbour wondering what was going on as we were seeing Barbara ride away with Stella, Barbara should have been stopped. I am guessing that possibly the nosy neighbour might have had empathy with Barbara, or she herself might have had awful things happen to her if she'd reported Barbara.
What do you guys think about this scene?
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At first, I felt that the Stasi would have arrested Babs immediately, for being witnessed by her neighbor leaving with Steffi.
But then I considered that this whole movie was about who can be trusted. No one, of course, not even Andre. That's the world Barbara lives in. Speech is used economically. Affection can be make one weak, so it's curtailed. Cold place.
BUT, if one can't know who is an enemy, one also can't know who is a friend. The neighbor gardening at night might not have been unsympathetic to Barbara. Another suspicious character was the third doctor at the clinic. But again, she doesn't share her knowledge of Barbara's activities with the Stasi either. Because words can be recorded and reported, neither the neighbor nor the doctor can say anything in support. Remember when the third doctor leaves the table, casually, when Stella sits down with Andre? That was a very subtle act of almost friendship - absenting oneself so nothing can be overheard. Screwy thing in our overly confessional, vomit up all for Oprah, world, isn't it? That's why I loved that particular moment so much.
So, I think that the neighbor never reported Barbara. As all important connections must be hidden, never spoken, maybe the neighbor knew that the town needed Barbara. Maybe the neighbor decided to mind her own business (even if her job was to spy.) Maybe the neighbor sympathized with any escape, deep down. We don't know. The reasons cannot be spoken under these circumstances. No one can praise Barbara publicly for her doctoring, no one can plead for her to stay, no one can express any sympathy for her condition. But one CAN omit themselves from circumstances, absent themselves as a witness, or simply not talk.
So we, the audience, get to participate in the building of the narrative with our own reasons for why Barbara wasn't arrested, why she didn't leave herself, why Steffi was so important to her, what her reaction really was to the magazine in the hotel, if she loves Andre or if she loves her work in the provinces (we really don't know definitively), all of which established a wonderful (silent) dialogue with the film maker! That doubt and instability is at the very heart of this film's portrayal of life under the Stasi. It makes for a beautiful film with so many levels of interpretation.
Actually? I thought that Babs (Hehe ... love the nickname) trusted Andre about as much as someone from that place (and time period!) COULD be trusted. But, had she trusted him completely, she would never have lied to Andre and told him that she'd be present at the hospital and assist with the operation, would she?
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Yes! Exactly, good catch! That's another theme in the movie - the role of lying. Honestly, I'm going to watch this again with my husband this week. I expect I'll see even more very shrewd and subtle elements. Gosh, I am so pleased by this film.
The neighbour is gardening in the dark of night. Now, who (I ask you) does that?
Possibly that part of the scene was meant to contrast with the scene when the officer's family gave Barbara & Andre a basket of garden produce. The caretaker of the building was harvesting carrots in the dark possibly so that nobody else could see what she had.
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Possibly that part of the scene was meant to contrast with the scene when the officer's family gave Barbara & Andre a basket of garden produce. The caretaker of the building was harvesting carrots in the dark possibly so that nobody else could see what she had.
Mmmm, food for thought. Or, maybe because everyone spied on everyone else, the midnight gardener might have been set up to spy on Barbara. But, then if that were true, (if she'd suspected something, seeing Barbara leaving that late) why didn't she tell anyone, and also why wasn't B's journey thwarted in some way? I mean, she could have had Barbara been followed had the suspicious looking gardener told the RIGHT person, I'm reckoning.
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I've just read most of the threads here and others posited that the officer decided not to act since Andre liked her. Andre was helping his mother with morphine so he wanted to keep Andre happy. Me, I just thought that the Stasi did not act quickly enough and simply lost sight of Barbara.
Me, I just thought that the Stasi did not act quickly enough and simply lost sight of Barbara.
Most plausible, that reply. The director, and screenwriter, left a lot open to imagination and interpretation, didn't HE? Brilliant, really. And the two actors portrayed each Character with pitch-perfect subtlety. I read an interview with Mr. Zehrfeld and Ms. Hoss wherein each said how gratiiified they were that Barbara and Andre had a chance at love, you know? I mean, didn't you just CHEER at seeing the last shot in the film, when Andre looks up and sees his lady-love in the doorway? Loved that touch.
See "Phoenix" if you've not done so already. I saw it THRICE!
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We don't know how their relationship will develop. Barbara obviously was in love with the other fellow so I guess she will need some time before starting anew. I put Yella into my Netflix Q & will take a look at Phoenix. Did not realize it was Nina Hoss in A Woman in Berlin, which was a good movie.
My opinion is that Barbara had given up that other blonde dude, in favour of being with Andre. AFter all, Barb would not have kissed Andre in that one scene, where they were at the Stasi's home, were she not in love with him. by then.
Although at the time Barb did so, I reckon she meant the quick smooch to be a kiss goodbye. It was only later on that B. decided to sacrifice her own freedom for that of Stella, and I must say that sending that poor girl off in such a RICKETY craft across such choppy looking waters, at the tail end of the film was a TERRIBLE decision. One can only imagine that Stella must have drowned on the way to her freedom. Ugh.
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The fact is, Andre or no Andre, if Stella had not turned up, Barbara would now be in Denmark.
We'll ne-ver know, really, will we? Barbara's director IS fairly crafty, after all. He may well have had something else in his heart and mind. Although, that said, many arrows DO point to this / your statement as being a viable conclusion.
Regarding the "boat", others here said that was a temporary craft designed only to get Stella to a bigger boat offshore.
Haha, "Craft" is far too generous a word to describe that ramshackle thing! It was an inner-tube with a putt-putt motor jerry-rigged to its rear! I doubt it would have crossed a dinky river in the best of weathers, let alone choppier waters from the distance between Germany and Denmark, yikes!
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I just said it didn't have to cross the Baltic Sea, but, rather, had only to go a short distance to a boat.
Mmmm, really?
See, I didn't get that from watching the ending SIX times. And, yes ... I came back again and ... a-gain, to see the film six times!
But even so ... I mean, let's assume that the inner tube only had to traverse a little bit of distance. In those choppy, wind-blown waters it would have been quite the tah-doo!
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I've just read most of the threads here and others posited that the officer decided not to act since Andre liked her. Andre was helping his mother with morphine so he wanted to keep Andre happy. Me, I just thought that the Stasi did not act quickly enough and simply lost sight of Barbara
I agree with the this. I think the nosy heifer did tattle on Barbara because she and the stasi guy were in Barbara's apartment soon after when Andre arrives. It was still dark, still time to catch Babs but the Stasi guy chose not to act for Andre.
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Barbara and Stella had a hell of a long time on the beach to wait for the sailor. You would think the Stasi would have caught up with them, since the sea is probably one most viable way to leave that part of East Germany? The neighbor was more than nosy - she was a Stasi informant, and citizens were forced to keep tabs on each other. If she didn't keep tabs and report "suspicious" activities, she would also get in trouble. That is the systematic way a totalitarian state uses citizens to control other citizens.
But then... anything is possible. After all, many refugees have escaped extreme circumstances, and many East Germans found a way to go West. Petzold is one of the finest directors of this generation. I am deeply honored to see his films, because they are so complex. You can debate the nuances for hours and hours.
Also... maybe the neighbor wasn't necessarily gardening, but gathering vegetables she grew for dinner. Some plant varieties are also better tended to at night? I don't know but it's totally possible for someone to hang around the garden in the evenings. Maybe she was also burying something in the garden like Barbara 😂
Logistics aside... this scene where Barbara forfeited her escape to Stella is one of the most touching scenes in cinema I have ever seen. It moved me to tears. For someone so hardened as Barbara to sacrifice herself so a younger generation can escape a brutal regime and thrive somewhere new, it's really touching.
My question is - Barbara disappeared for a few hours. She never really explained why she disappeared for several hours in the past. The Stasi just kept inspecting her flat but didn't punish her. While they are violating her privacy, I'm surprised that they just let her go every time she disappears and re-appears without an explanation. After Stella's escape, I wonder how they will punish Barbara since she returned to reunite with Dr. Reiser. Updated: I just read another poster's comment that Barbara was able to disappear for as long as she did because the Stasi officer (whose wife was dying of cancer and was treated by Dr. Reiser) somewhat turned a blind eye as thanks to Dr. Reiser. Logically speaking, the Stasi should have been pursuing Barbara if they were really intent in capturing her immediately instead of inspecting her apartment.
Logistics aside... this scene where Barbara forfeited her escape to Stella is one of the most touching scenes in cinema I have ever seen. It moved me to tears.
Yes, one does have to suspend a certain amount of logical belief in order to be transported by the cinema of Petzold, doesn't one? "Phoenix demanded a TON of suspension.
Yes, Barbara likely realised that it was her DUTY to be of service to humanity, and in in doing so, get the man she had truly wanted for some time, her partner in crime (if you will), who was also her colleague Andre, of course.
I like the professorial tone of your posts.
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Thank you very much! I am happy to see someone so passionate about this movie.
Phoenix required a lot of suspension of disbelief, but for some reason, I believed in the storyline. Ronald interpreted Johnny as someone who was in deep denial and just pretty much willfully ignored all the signs that "Esther" was Nelly. Johnny represents what Carl Jung called "The German Guilt." Denial is a powerful thing. The elements that required a suspension of disbelief usually had valid reasons with deep implications, and that is what makes me respect Petzold so much.
In Barbara, we are supposed to accept some of the plotlines... such as the Stasi being so lax with Barbara, even though all the apartment and body searches are oppressive. I really don't think Barbara can go to a love hotel or bury money or go to a forest without someone catching her especially in a small town. And then when the Stasi questions her, she just doesn't say anything. You would think they'd interrogate her? Then she and Stella waited a long time for the sailor to arrive, while the Stasi stalled to catch up with her. That can be explained by the Stasi officer letting Barbara go as a favor to Andre.