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As a huge fan, I'm sad to say this franchise is done.


Back in 2009, I was blown away by a little movie called Paranormal Activity. The hype was huge, and I lined up with plenty of other fans for a midnight showing in Atlanta. It hadn't yet expanded nationwide and this was the only nearby place to see it. Luckily, I was not disappointed. The movie scared me like few others had. It didn't rely on constant jump scares. Katie being dragged out of the bed was the scariest movie moment I had ever witnessed. I was literally frozen with fear for a few seconds afterwards.

A year later, Paranormal Activity 2 was being released. The trailers looked good, although I was wary that the sequel would suck. The movie started, and ten minutes in I found myself confused. Here was Katie, visiting her sister and acting as if everything was normal. Then, it finally clicked. We had all been tricked. This wasn't a sequel, it was a prequel. It was genius to hide that in the marketing. Then I began to wonder how it would tie into the original and why the events in this movie were never mentioned. But they explained it all and I concluded that Paranormal Activity 2 was just as good, if not better, than the first one and was a damn near perfect sequel.

They understood what worked in the original. They came up with a brilliant way to justify why these hauntings were being filmed again. A new baby naturally means the video camera is coming out. The security cameras were genius. I totally bought that this family, particularly the father, would have them installed after the break-in. And the fact that they were always running explained why they always got everything on video.

Of course everyone remembers the two big jump scares in Part 2. The cabinets and Kristi being dragged down the stairs. They were absolutely horrifying and shocking. The cabinets actually made Part 3 scarier, because they destroyed any sense of safety we might have felt during the daytime. From then on, anything could happen at anytime. But there were incredibly intense and suspenseful sequences too. The scene where Ali goes downstairs in the middle of the night and encounters Hunter's toy moving on it's own was almost too much to watch. The night-vision climax was equally horrifying.

Part 3 was a good sequel overall, but it was a slight step downwards from the first 2. For one, it felt like what it was: a scary movie, rather than terrifying home video footage. Not only was the footage way too good to be VHS, but all the activity was caught on video perfectly. As suspenseful as the fan-cam was, it was just too perfectly timed. I felt like I was watching actors pretend to be in the 80s, whereas the first 2 movies felt like real people in real houses. That being said, Part 3 was almost as scary as the first 2. Katie being snatched up by her hair froze me with fear like when she was dragged out of bed years later. But the ending was just awful, giving no resolution and completely crapping all over the continuity set by the first 2 movies.

Part 4 was another step in the wrong direction. While I did appreciate some of the story twists, the movie was simply not scary. I'm not sure what went wrong. I felt no suspense. It was easy to predict when something scary was going to happen. And I barely remember anything that did happen. It was almost all just weird noises and creepy kids standing in dark rooms. In Part 3, an entire kitchen levitated to the ceiling. In Part 4, one knife goes flying up to the ceiling, although it did admittedly make for a neat scene later. But it was repetitive and lame in comparison to what we've seen before. Alex again felt like a movie character, in contrast with Ali from Part 2, who looked and acted like a real teenage girl. Using webcams was a logical way to explain the filming, but they weren't used to their fullest potential. Neither was the Kinect, although it did get one good scare (Katie sitting on the couch but obscured by the dots).

I did like the ending, although story-wise it was pretty awful. Nothing was resolved again, and it pretty much ended exactly how the other 3 movies ended. Everybody dies except Katie. Part 5 will no doubt be out next year, and I sincerely hope they put a lot of thought into it and finish this series. I don't want to see Paranormal Activity 10 and still not be sure what exactly this demon wants.

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"...still not be sure what exactly this demon wants."

The demon wants their soul. People pure of heart are preferred, but they'll take any victim available. Fear is their fame - killing is their game. It's what demons do in the true stories also. Or so the mediums and paranormal researchers claim.

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"true stories" lol. There are no true stories about demons.

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"true stories."

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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Also, I'm sorry, but ALL of these movies have sucked, including the first one. I totally disagree, it was nothing but cheap jump scares, and even those weren't very good. I've had much better jump scares watching people play Slender.

And if anyone thought this movie would be worth watching after having seen Catfish? Then you need to watch more quality cinema. End.

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Also, I'm sorry, but ALL of these movies have sucked, including the first one. I totally disagree, it was nothing but cheap jump scares, and even those weren't very good. I've had much better jump scares watching people play Slender.

And if anyone thought this movie would be worth watching after having seen Catfish? Then you need to watch more quality cinema. End.


I have no clue what Slender is or Catfish but I do know on a certain level I have enjoyed these Paranormal Activity movies. They have reminded about the difference between ghosts and demonic possession. I also like how if you go in blindly without reading about these movies you have to piece the story together after you see the first movie. It is a thinking man's series and while it is not as deep as SAW it is a series of intelligent horror movies.

As for quality films I have watched many and I think my taste in movies and I know how to rate them. Check out my ratings and reviews and you will see so uhmmm people that do like really good movies can also like a series here that may just be a 6.5 or 7 series which to me means not a waste for the viewing audience that likes the content that they are watching.

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I have to agree. The mark of the first PA was how I lost any sense of psychological equilibrium. It was actually pretty unnerving. Noises that I heard and dismissed in my apartment started becoming a lot more pronounced. Shadows got creepier. I slept with one eye opened for, like, a week. That movie did more damage to me once I got home than it did when I was in the theater.

Fast forward to 2012 and Paranormal Activity 4. Let the head shaking commence.

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Staying home alone was definitely much scarier for about a week after the first 2. Especially the 2nd movie. I remember being at my dad's house sitting in the kitchen watching TV. It was late and I was waiting on my sister to get home. And I was genuinely freaked out, remembering the cabinet scene. As silly as it sounds, it really did freak me out.

The 4th one just had no creativity. It was the first one that felt purely like a cash grab. Even Part 3, which is when it started to go downhill, was still creative and scary.

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well said crush....well said!!! and who the hell is this robbie kid???? did i miss something?

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The mythology is definitely very convoluted. I liked that there was next to no backstory in the first movie, and I thought the second movie did a great job of expanding on it just enough to keep us interested. The third movie went a little overboard with the witches, but even that seems OK in comparison to the 4th movie. I want to see hauntings caused by an invisible demon, not little kids and grown women walking around in the dark and staring at the camera.

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This, this and THIS. This guy gets it, EXACTLY what made the original great. Well said.

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rofl a demon named Toby

R I D I C U L O U S

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One and two were really good, 3 was blah and this one sucked. The franchise is done indeed.

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$45 million and increasing. They invested $5 million to make it. When international profits are added: $120 million grossed.

Stick a fork in it, they're done! lol

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If you read my post you'd know I meant quality-wise, not profit-wise.

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Quality is in the eye of the beholder. That's been my point for many posts now, if you'll read my posts. Millions of people enjoyed this movie, so "quality wise" they didn't have a problem with it.

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The general consensus has been far more negative than for the other three movies. That is a fact. Did some people enjoy it? Sure! But not nearly as many as the other movies.

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^^This^^

Glad I waited for reviews before I decided to see this. Awaiting DVD release



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I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually liked the fourth one. Don't get me wrong, I respect the ones who don't like it. It's not as scary as the other ones and it is predictable at times. I just feel it didn't have the same scares as some of the other ones (dragging scene from 1, cabinets from 2, the fan cam from 3) but I still enjoyed it.

I can't think of a better series to go to on Halloween than the Paranormal Activity movies. I really like to see what they bring to the table, looking for things to see if something is moving or whatever, and really just have a good time being scared with the audience. That's really what these films are about for me. Sure the story is all over the place with the fourth one, but I enjoyed it overall and I can't wait to see the next one!

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Fields201, you summed up exactly what I feel about this series-- although I still side on the negative with it, but totally see your points. I've described the PA series as a haunted house attraction, and really, it is the only one of its kind in this regard. The appeal of the films is mostly social, and also in the creativity of the audience. "I really like to see what they bring to the table, looking for things to see if something is moving or whatever, and really just have a good time being scared with the audience." I think you are selling yourself short though-- I think you being a willing participant in the "game" (like you said, scanning all the scenes, looking for subtle movements or changes that hint at something supernatural) is part of the fun, and your imagination probably brings more to the table than the actual film does.

I personally think, though, that each sequel gets progressively more lazy in their effects, in what they DO end up showing. Imaginative audience-members might notice it less than analytic moviegoers, and there is nothing wrong with either side. But if they don't "up" the ante, I can't see the series surviving much longer.

After all, would you continue to see a magician that did the same tricks, unmodified, show after show after show? Probably not, even if that trick was a doozy.

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"Imaginative audience-members might notice it less than analytic moviegoers, and there is nothing wrong with either side. But if they don't "up" the ante, I can't see the series surviving much longer."

The imaginative audience is on this board claiming to be "analytic". And when you say up the ante, do you mean spending more than $5 million? lol lol I think the production company is smarter than zombies by a long shot. PA 5 will make profit too. And who knows, maybe an extra $25 million for special effects to entertain the analytic.

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"I can't think of a better series to go to on Halloween than the Paranormal Activity movies. "

No offense but I think this is just tame laziness.

There are fantastic movies for Halloween:

The Omen
The Ring
Sinister
Halloween
The Others
Lady in White
The Innocents
Trick 'R Treat
Legend of Hell House
Satan's Little Helper


Just off the top of my head. Challenge yourself with some quality horror.




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"EVERY movie made has some people who liked it. that doesn't mean it's good. what matters is the general and public consensus, and for PA4, it's that it sucks."

Funny stuff. That doesn't mean a movie is bad either. Success is in the eye of the beholder. The general "public consensus" is that millions are attending and not complaining.

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You clearly don't understand success. When things start becoming less profitable, you have to know when to abandon ship. The PA series is just about at that point, and unless they do something spectacular in 5, it's over. They've lost a good chunk of the audience from 1-4, and with each succesive film, those lost will not come back.

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Unfortunately I have to agree with kurt here. I hate these movies and think they SHOULD stop making them, but even IF this film made 50 million less, if it made $120 million worldwide, that's still a huge profit considering they made the movie for only $5 million. They'll keep making these until they finally lose money on the ninth or tenth one, sorry to say (no really, I'm sorry to say).

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The problem is simply they are raping a great horror film. There is no horror franchise that is anywhere near as good in its 4th entry as its first or even second. They always get steadily worse. The originality is lost. And not only that they are releasing a new film every year, people are bound to get sick of it. I loved the first film, thought the second was great and the third was good. But this feels like too much too soon. The fourth film was fine i thought, nothing amazing but it was generally solid. They just need to ease the *beep* up and take time to make better quality films. Money hungry *beep*

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That's not going to happen until you stop going to the theater every year to see them. Complaining won't do *beep* You have to actively NOT GIVE THEM YOUR FREAKING MONEY. They made $115 million on this flick, and compared to most films, it was incredibly easy to make. Do you really think they give a *beep* or are going to stop?? HELL NO! Not until they start losing money. And that won't happen until you guys stop bitching on IMDB AND STOP GOING TO SEE THEM!

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LOL Which doesn't explain why millions are going to see PA 4 and not complaining about it. Regardless of the discriminating tastes of "critics".

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I don't see it getting much praise either.

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Sorry...I thought the $45 million was praise.

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You do realize that just because a movie makes money does not mean it's good, right? Plus, I spent money to see this movie. And I didn't think it was good. I'd imagine that's how it works for most people. They don't know how the movie is gonna turn out before they go see it. So yeah, of course it made money. People liked the previous three, so they go see this one.

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He's also ignoring the fact that the film lost 50 million compared to its last installment-- I'd say the 50 million dollars saved in previous year's fan-pockets is saying A LOT.

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He's also ignoring the fact that the film lost 50 million compared to its last installment-- I'd say the 50 million dollars saved in previous year's fan-pockets is saying A LOT.

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The franchise name made most of that money you idiot. Are you stupid?

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Of all the movies in the world to stan for, you choose this one?? Look at your life, look at your choices.

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I guess my "prophecy" is showing evidence of coming to pass.

Because... you know... I was just guessing without looking at the evidence, Kurt. I'm psychic, didn't you know?

Troll :p

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Kurt can say what he wants, most things have a point where the audience say that's enough, Dallas for example was Bobby Ewing in the shower. PA4 is the enough point in the PA series. It is $50 million down on PA3 and it didn't have the same level of negativity that this has. I still think that it might have an ending where it all ties up but until they announce when the end is they will not be getting another penny out of me and only then if i believe it will be worth it and i don't think i am alone in refusing to spend anything further. I will predict this now, PA5 will take less than $17 million in it's opening weekend.

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"I guess my "prophecy" is showing evidence of coming to pass."

What prophecy? Even the people making PA movies knew earnings would drop with each installment. And only zombiethinking would characterize a $5 million investment, with a $120 million worldwide gross as a loss. You're a moron.

"Troll :p"

Yes you are. lol

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I'm sorry... I'll set aside my adversarial tone and explain.

I understand that there are 10 or 15 people on this board that are upset, and they have every right to define quality on their terms and standards.
But there are people that enjoyed this film and they have a right to there beliefs too. I know profit isn't the bottom line. But if this film was a total lemon, people would have stopped going to it last week. Remember Howard the Duck?

The 10 or 15 people that are openly disappointed with this film might be the smartest critics of horror films, just based on the sheer number of films they have seen. But they need to get better organized. Get a hold of Kitty and Anna and all the others and exchange emails. Share information on upcoming films. Send a petition to the PA production company and/or Paramont and tell them to step it up. Give them some suggestions on what to do for PA 5.

I think they'll need to make dramatic improvements on 5 or they'll lose the avid horror fans. They need to spend more of that profit for a better quality film. Then: They shouldn't film a 6th installment. They should start a whole new movie. My idea: I'd like to see a paranormal team go into a seriously haunted house, and have their azzes handed to them by a demon. It could be a team like TAPS that thinks they know everything.

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Paranormal Activity... in SPACE!

Yeah, I would be very surprised if the studios make the same mistake with PA5. The negative backlash on boards would probably mean little if the numbers didn't crunch the way they do. My hopes is that they realize "mild horror" is the same thing as saying "mildly entertaining". I felt there were much better entries in the PA series than 4, and while I never felt them frightening at all, PA4 was kind of a... mockery of itself.

There are entries in the horror genre that have pushed technology to its edge-- this isn't one of them. There are entries in the horror genre that have played like a delightfully demonic romp through hell-- this isn't one of them (I felt the first three were actually closer to it than this-- and yes, I finally dragged myself to see PA4 for the record). It would be interesting, say, if they used the revenue from the previous entries to do some things with visual imagery that have actually sincerely never been seen before.

The 'webcam' was not an innovation... dear lord, I got annoyed with staring at people's chests. The 'fan-cam' from the previous entry was also horrible-- a neat idea, with a slow turn from side to side, but the issue was that it moved GODAWFUL slow (I've seen elderly people with more pep) and the payoff for the tension build was not anywhere NEAR worth the wait.

The introduction of the coven worked well originally-- here, it felt like SUCH a godawful copout; "how do we end the film?" "How many female extras do you think we can get?"

I'm actually curious what the studios will do to attempt to solve the issues in this one, though. I'm hoping that they really strive hard to do something interesting to make up for it.

What I'm expecting is another disappointment though.

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"...but that's just it, they are. it had a 70% drop off from week 1 to week 2. that's huge. the original PA actually went up in it's 2nd week..."

It's interesting how you characterize profits. PA 4 has already made 9 times what they invested, and you define that as bad? Once international sales are totaled, they're expected to make 24 times what they invested. The people associated with PA 4 expected a drop in box office earnings as each installment is released. There's no surprise here except for you. Did you really expect all this to last until PA 10? Even I don't need a PA 6, because I'd rather see a new story line involving a paranormal research team doing battle with a demon.

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He won't get it-- and it is no failing in your explanation, crushedrose. Your analysis was thoroughly laid out for him. Yes, the film is doing "well" financially but that doesn't change the fact that is losing fans that were previously faithful to the series. This is an issue producers are sure not to see as small or negligable.

This is a startling issue because, historically speaking, there is a lot of precedence for a studio simply ignoring this decline and pumping out garbage-- one of my favorite series of all time is the most guilty (Hellraiser, I'm looking at you). Any income the series gets near the end is due to a small, heavily niched fanbase that is obsessive about ingesting horror movies (I've been guilty of being this niched audience more than I'd like to admit).

So, yes, I think your analysis clearly and concisely points out how this series can have good income and yet still be in decline (really, I'm amazed at the fact that this is still being denied/ignored, but then again, I'm actually a million times happier by only seeing your side and seeing a big huge "IGNORED" on the other half :p

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"He won't get it...

You're trying to discourage people from seeing the movie. Ya, we get it.

"Yes, the film is doing "well" financially..."

Does anyone know how long it took to get zombie to admit that?

"...but that doesn't change the fact that is losing fans that were previously faithful to the series."

Did it ever occur to you that they wanted to do it their way, since they own the rights? And the haters call me a Nazi?


"..there is a lot of precedence for a studio simply ignoring this decline and pumping out garbage..."

Someone mentioned that teen girls were going to this film and enjoying it, and that's why it's garbage. Tell us again how you're better than everyone else again, zombie. This is the stuff that brings me back to this board.

"...one of my favorite series of all time is the most guilty (Hellraiser,"

Mine was the recent version of 'Battlestar Galactica', and how many shows did we have to watch before all the questions were answered?


"... I'm actually a million times happier by only seeing your side and seeing a big huge "IGNORED" on the other half..."

What a pathetic ego.

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How do you know what Paramount expects from this movie. No one knows what they expected except them. So guess all you like. Only they know. Trying to tell us what they think is just a tad silly.

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The guessing game eh? never played it much myself when it comes to how a film will do.

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Again you don't know what they expected. Since they have been in the business longer than a week it is safe to say they have all bases covered.

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Crushedego is more like it;

"...the film dropped %73 in box office in week two. bad word of mouth got out."

This is where your imagination just runs wild and out of control. No one had a clue how this movie would do.

"...and Paramount did NOT expect a huge drop from PA3 to 4, especially when there was a huge increase from PA2 to 3."

I can assure you that most series drop in viewership, and studios are fully aware of this. This is a case of you hating the movie, and then claiming everyone was caught blind. There's no way to please everyone and you're just a hot head.

"Paramount was expecting PA4 to be on par with PA3 in box office. and now it's on pace to make 50 million less. that's not good."

It's expected to make 24 times the investment and you're trying to sell the other haters on the idea that a studio is in a state of depression. wow...

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Hey hey fooking hey don't drag Jurassic Park 3 into this

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LOL, hes like some weird sub-species of troll and nothing he says ever makes sense or stays in line with the subject at hand .... its like having a conversation with a down syndrome version of the riddler

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The down-syndrome part is what keeps it from being entertaining-- but I digress.

I think what's being missed here is the simple fact that a studio that cannot predict the outcome of a film to a certain degree of accuracy is one that cannot continue to make films. That is the JOB of much of the film industry-- to look at one film and say, "yeah, considering the elements, this will at least make twice its investment". Without this, it becomes extremely difficult to calculate ROI, and also-- something a lot of people may not realize-- becomes extremely difficult to draft contracts. The difference between a contract that succeeds and one that fails is often in how cast and crew get paid. Sometimes, cast agree to reduced wages with the stipend of shared revenue with the film. This is something that means producers must know what to expect-- if the film is going to make a huge revenue, this might mean a huge loss; if the film is expected to make a very small revenue, it means someone is going to be incredibly angry at their agent-- and in turn, the relationship between the agent and the producer might very well be threatened.

This is a cartoon explanation-- dealing with very shallow examples-- but the point being that people do not realize just how daunting it is to be a producer-- the numbers SIMPLY HAVE TO BE PREDICTED to a certain degree of accuracy for them to DO THEIR JOB.

So yes, I think it's safe to say there were expectations without needing to use one's imagination. Those who do not realize the workings of the film industry might not realize it, but yes... I guarantee every film that you have heard of, the producers had SOME expectation of what the film was going to make, how fast it was going to make it, and in what environments (Theater versus DVD... versus Blu-Ray versus internet release etc etc).

I don't blame people for not realizing this-- it does take into consideration a lot of variables-- but producers don't release films and just simply "hope and pray" they do good; in fact, this is why we have smaller studios (Ghost House Pictures Underground, Fox Searchlight, etc.) for films that studios believe in but understand do not have the resources to compete with their main attractions, or simply expect to perform well but not as well as some of their other optioned pieces.

But once again... yes... yes the studio execs had probably VERY specific expectations that factored in more variables than many of us (myself included) could keep straight, let alone analyze.

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"The down-syndrome part is what keeps it from being entertaining"

I am in no way shape of form trying to entertain

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Look at the people here that hated all the movies in the series. It just proves my point about haters.

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And if someone has questions I didn't answer you know where my post is. I think I've answer over 40 questions, so if someone is alleging all questions weren't answered, I'll be glad answer those questions.

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It was done the moment the first one was made.

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Indeed it has. Besides PA2's SLOOOOW pacing the series is fine. Well done, chaps.

And really well done to the lovely and amazing Katie as well I hope it all works out for the Katie character in the end.

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It's sad to think that the tool that started this terrible franchise is the same person that wrote Chernobyl Diaries.

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