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So, why did Ike bust the General back to colonel?


You only learn this in the last 60 seconds of the movie.

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It was a cost cutting move that 212 general rank officers were demoted to colonel. I also think that since when Fellers was military attache in Cairo, and the Germans read off his messages and were able to figure British moves, that might have put him on the list for downgrade.
It would have been nice if they'd said that, wouldn't it?

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Thanks. I would have always been wondering.

So much history is NOT on the internet. Just finished Toland's book on Korea and there were two brothers (WWII USMC vets) who were film shooters for NBC. Can't find info on them anywhere. That would be a heck of a good story.

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Internet information on Wikipedia is the source of this information. After World War II came the vast reduction in the size of the Army. I've known about the involuntary rank reductions for a long time. There was a real old guy still working in my office back in 1992. He told me that he had heard of a Army full colonel being administratively reduced to the rank of master sergeant after WWII. I believed him. In Marine Corps history, Medal Of Honor recipient, Major Jesse Folmar, known for shooting down a Russian-built MiG 15 fighter jet with his Vought F4U-D, propeller Corsair fighter, was given the choice of keeping his captain's rank after World II but being involuntarily transferred to the Marine tank force, or remaining a fighter pilot but accepting the rank of master sergeant. Folmar chose to become a master sergeant. He later regained his commissioned officer's rank and retired as a major.
Most people think rank reduction is something bad and mostly they're right. But the military does retain its option of administrative rank reduction which is supposed to be a generous option to remaining employed and in the military as opposed to being discharged and unemployed. It would have been unthinkable for the post-WWII Army to fire all those 212 generals. But the war was over and the U.S. Army didn't need 80 divisions. Assuming a division commander of a major general and an assistant division commander, a brigadier general, that's a total of 160 generals. More generals existed at the corps and army level, including non-combat generals and it's easy to see how many generals existed at war's end. So all those generals were given a rank reduction to full colonel, for which there were more jobs available within the reduced army. Or else the generals could elect to leave or retire, which I'm sure many did for a lucrative job in the civilian sector.
Hollywood took a liberal slap at Bonner Fellers. At the movie's end, the credits make it look like brigadier general Fellers did something wrong to deserve his demotion at the hands of President Eisenhower. If Wikipedia is accurate and I'm sure it is, Fellers was only one of those 212 generals who had to take the demotion or else retire or resign. You see, Bonner Fellers later became a member of the conservative political group, the John Birch Society. Liberal Hollywood was going to make sure it threw a mudpie at the memory of Fellers at movie's end before the audience felt too much sympathy for him.

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You see, Bonner Fellers later became a member of the conservative political group, the John Birch Society...

"Conservative political group" would be an apt moniker for the Chamber of Commerce or somesuch.

The John Birch Society was (still is, AFAIK) neo-fascist.


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The John Birch Society was (still is, AFAIK) neo-fascist.


Spoken like a true Communist.

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The Democrat Party is now Neo Muslim Marxist Facist Party. So what's your point?

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I don't know why I bother responding to buffoonish comments like this, but here goes:

There is no such party as the "Democrat" Party. There is a Democratic Party.

The rest of your post is incomprehensible.

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>>> Hollywood took a liberal slap at Bonner Fellers. At the movie's end , the credits made it look like brigadier general Fellers did something wrong to deserve his demotion at the hands of president Eisennhower.

The movie did no such thing It simply mentioned Fetters was demoted. Could the movie have explained why? Yeah it could have. But the reason why it didn't probably was due more to being sloppy, then out of some kind of desire to make Fetters look bad.

>>> Liberal Hollywood was going to make sure it threw a mudpie at the memory of Fellers at movie's end

LOL!! If "Liberal" Hollywood was that intent on besmirching the legacy of General Fetters then why make him so sympathetic and capable, in the movie??

And if they wanted to stick it to him, why not at LEAST mention he was a member of the John Birch society, in the credits. That might have given a lot of the movie's liberal audience (and even some of the moderate audience) reason to shudder. Why should the movie keep that a secret, if they really wanted to throw
a mudpie at the memory of General Fellers??

>>> before the audience felt too much sympathy for him.

You see,,the thing is, if you want to make somebody look bad, before the audience feels too much sympathy for him, you don't wait until the credits are about to roll, to do it. By that point, it's too late.

FOR GOD SAKES!!!! Stop reading politics and "EVIL LIBERALS" into every little thing.

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>>> If Wikipedia is accurate and I'm sure it is.

I don't have as much faith in the accuracy of Wikipedia as you apparently do, but if we are going to go by it, then according to Wikipedia's entry on Bonner Fellers, Eisenhowser didn't like Bonner Fellers. Apparently, Eisenhowser and Fellers had a long history together (going back to both serving under MacArthur in the Phillipines prior to WW 2), and Eisenhowser didn't have a high opinion of Fellers.

In fact Eisenhowser once said (according to Wikipedia) "Any friend of Bonner Fellers is no friend of mine".

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>>> If Wikipedia is accurate and I'm sure it is.

This is called "irony."

Very hard to express on the Internet.

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In October 1946, Fellers reverted to rank of Colonel as part of a reduction in rank of 212 generals.[25] He retired from the Army on November 30, 1946. In 1948 his retirement rank was reinstated as Brigadier General.

from the Wiki.
plus other sources on his retired rank. This was an administrative reduction. The closing credits are slightly misleading. The Army went from 8,200,000 in 1945 to 590,000 in size in 1950. Most of that reduction in 1945-6.

Very enjoyable movie, the Japanese actors and set design were great. Well done, takes courage to present a movie that might make the audience a bit more knowledgeable about history. Thanks to TLJ and Mathew Fox. Hats off to the director.

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Hollywood took a liberal slap at Bonner Fellers. At the movie's end, the credits make it look like brigadier general Fellers did something wrong to deserve his demotion at the hands of President Eisenhower. If Wikipedia is accurate and I'm sure it is, Fellers was only one of those 212 generals who had to take the demotion or else retire or resign.


I don't doubt that you are right. After a war there are way too many officers to support a peace time force.

But wasn't the fact that everyone back home wanted Hirohito dangling from a rope and he didn't give it to them, a contributing factor? Maybe it was a "liberal slap", but I took that to be a contributing factor for a demotion.

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Right. The ending leaves us with a complicate idea

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There was a deleted scene where General Richter and some politician type bluntly tell Bonner that the American people want vengeance. If the Emperor is not tried, there will be political fall out and someone, i.e. Bonner, will have to pay.

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It was simply an administrative move. It was not even a "demotion." In the post-war era, with cutbacks, officers were simply returned to their earlier *permanent* ranks. Feller's wartime rank of BGen was a *temporary* promotion. This has been SOP for a long time. It was *expected* at the end of WWII. These guys knew it would happen.

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