MovieChat Forums > Dead Man Down (2013) Discussion > Overdone with the scar and humiliation t...

Overdone with the scar and humiliation thing

posted 11 years ago by hentai_one
33 replies | jump to latest

I don't buy for a second that kids would publicly humiliate a person just because half her face is filled with scars. She doesn't even have any deformation. That was really unrealistic and overly fake-shocking moment. Not mentioning the stupid part where "Monster" was scarred next to her door. When i was in middle school kids laughed when someone wore glasses, when someone wore funny clothes (for their age, that is), but never when something serious was troubling someone.

I've never experienced nor heard of any situation like this before in real life. At least here in first world part kids tend to have some discretion. My brother's 12-year-old friend has only one hand, and all his classmates are friends with him. No one humiliating nor making fun of him. Though i could imagine being one-handed could bring more humiliation. But yeah, that's Finland for you.

So overdone by the director...

[–] tetrahex 11 years ago

Yea that part was especially jolting, the entire thing reeks of foreign production, it just doesn't feel American. I had to double check the filming locations.

But yea any American director would have just not shot that scene, kids aren't like that these days, so it just lacks authenticity.

[–] loudtaco 11 years ago

"American" meaning movies made by American directors are generally better and well thought out. Watch the original "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" and the remade American version. Tell me which one is better. That's a poor assumption. Transformers is an American movie and had more holes than your logic. I honestly watched "Dead Man Down" and didn't stop to think hey would someone really kill everyone in a building and not get caught. In my world that *beep* wouldn't fly. I don't care how bad the neighborhoods are where I live.

[–] tetrahex 11 years ago

"American" meaning movies made by American directors are generally better and well thought out. Watch the original "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" and the remade American version. Tell me which one is better. That's a poor assumption. Transformers is an American movie and had more holes than your logic. I honestly watched "Dead Man Down" and didn't stop to think hey would someone really kill everyone in a building and not get caught. In my world that *beep* wouldn't fly. I don't care how bad the neighborhoods are where I live.

Maybe you are experiencing that cultural misunderstanding I'm talking about. I never said american movie directors are better, just that an american might have a better grasp of american culture and know when something feels authentic or not.

Transformers is not going for authenticity..its an entirely different genre and frankly very few rules of reality apply once you are making a based on toy robots.

What I point out was a cultural misunderstanding. Its not about plot holes but basic issues of cultural ignorance.

Anyways it was the least of the films problems.

The hitmans behavior was stupid by any measure. Just the part where he attacks a house with his truck was mind bogglingly stupid. Risk death or injury, and most certainly disorientation while at most injuring or killing one mook, while the rest are unaffected by your entrance and could easily fill the truck with bullets. Its just tactically retarded. Even a john rambo type movie where they aren't concerned with reality would have the guy use the truck as a distraction only, jam the gas pedal and have the empty truck crash through the house while you go through a window. I don't know why you are defending this movie, its just a dumb film.

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

Crashing the car was a distraction and he stayed inside because time was of the essence.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] orioles8-1 11 years ago

You would be surprised how cruel kids can be I found it believable and I am in the states

[–] morphine_79 11 years ago

I agree. She's still pretty with the scars. Nobody would care.

[–] fensta-577-940793 11 years ago

Maybe some kids would stare at her but it wasn't believable that they'd taunt her in that way and throw a rock at her. If she was seriously deformed and scarey looking i could almost believe it but she had a few scars that were barely noticeable.That wasn't the biggest flaw of the movie though, it was pretty boring overall.

[–] loudtaco 11 years ago

All it takes is one kid to throw a stone and the rest will follow. Kids can be cruel, and I would imagine in a poor area, where kids are dying from boredom, it's not ludicrous to think that it would be possible in that world. The scenes were about character development.

[–] DaliParton 11 years ago

All it takes is one kid to throw a stone and the rest will follow.

This.

Kids are all trying to figure out what group they belong in, if you've got one particularly sociopathic kid that the rest are following, the whole herd will be sociopaths because the few with enough sense of self to see it as wrong would have left (or been driven out).

[–] loudtaco 11 years ago

It gave her character some substance and made you empathize for her. And Rapace did a great job owning the scenes. That's being really picky about the harassment. Great casting and directing. The movie surprised me. The movie can't last 10 hours. You have a short amount of time to develop the characters. So what if it wasn't, in your world or mine, something we've been exposed to. Every movie, even some of the greats, have situations that won't happen in our lives, but if movies were made to reflect our lives and experiences they would suck.

[–] ipacac22 11 years ago

Agreed OP. The kids constantly harassing her was exaggerated way too much. It made no sense and added nothing to the movie.

Utah! Get me two.

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

Added nothing to do nothing? It's explains why she felt so desperate to kill the drunkard that left her disfigured.

All of you critics that think no one would call her a monster are being naively incredulous.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] Morgana0 11 years ago

I agree, I didn't quite get the whole 'monster' thing. Also her so called disfigurement could barely be seen, and wasn't nearly as bad as it should have been for her to be wanting to see the guy that was the cause of it dead.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Morgana0x

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

...And wasn't nearly as bad as it should have been for her to be wanting to see the guy that was the cause of it dead.

You're an idiot.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] Morgana0 11 years ago

You're an idiot.

If everyone that was disfigured in any way were to over react the way she did, we'd have people killing people all the time over the smallest things.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Morgana0x

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

I also thought that she overreacted by wanting that guy dead. I get he got off too easily but asking that guy to beat him up badly, she did at the end, was better.

However, it's callously stupid of you to think that her disfigurement isn'tcause of pain and despair.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] Morgana0 11 years ago

I never said it wasn't cause of pain or despair,of course it was. I had issue with the wanting to kill the guy, that's all.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Morgana0x

[–] the-academy-isanti 11 years ago

I disagree, her scars were pretty awful considering she had flawless skin before. Is a big change to her appearance considering that she was a young beautiful woman in her 20's.
Those scars looked not as bad from far away, but from up close, you could obviously see them. It would bring any girls self esteem down.

[–] SweetLadyH 11 years ago

I think you'd be amazed and disgusted at how frequently this happens, and not just children doing these things.

Someone very close to me has a rare hand deformity and we've experienced both children AND adults being incredibly mean and rude. Countless times have we experienced an adult pulling away and even saying "ew" when going to shake hands.

I also worked with children who are burn victims and had to work very hard so they could learn that their scars are not who they are.

People can be horrifyingly cruel. I've never been able to understand it.

[–] 11 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

You're a complete and total moron.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

I've never experienced nor heard of any situation like this before in real life.

You must have lived a wonderfully sheltered life to have such a naive view of the world.

People can be very cruel because they fear what they don't understand.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] 11 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

And you are probably a 16 year old boy who just got made fun of for having a big pimple and now you are oversensitive.

Nope. I just live in the real world.

All we are saying is that it was over exaggerated.

You're very naive if you think that was exaggerated treatment she suffered.

An adult with moderate inflammatory acne is in a much worse position.

That's your opinion and a pointless argument.

That's like saying that a paraplegic shouldn't be so upset because at least they aren't quadriplegics.

Having had a pretty severe acne in my teenage years, I can tell you that it looked much worse than a few red lines that could easily be covered with makeup.

Apparently, her disfigured face and neck couldn't be fixed up with simple make-up and I doubt people suffering from acne don't find it hard to smile.

This is why they should have an age limit for people posting on imdb. Too many *beep* 15 year olds.

Agreed but I am not a teenager.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] 11 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

And you are very stupid to think it isn't over exaggerated. This is what big movie studios do. They wanted to keep her pretty for the film so they gave her a minor scar, but they still needed to play it off as being major

Half her face and neck has red lines all over them and that;s what you call a minor scar???

No, that is not the same thing at all. We are not talking about physical disabilities, and yes there are different degrees of deformity. Her scar was not a deformity and would not be classified as such by a doctor.

What would you call her affliction other than deformity???

Using the example of moderate acne is very good because it is actually more noticeble. That is not my opinion. That is a simple observation. Just like the observation of the difference between minor, moderate and severe inflammatory acne. Do you get the point now?

Your entire complaint is based on your dumb opinion that her scars aren't noticeable!

Guess what? They were!

There's no point in you telling me any of that. Just because you think her affliction isn't so bad or could have been worse, it doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to feel terrible about her appearance.

Well, I was watching the same film. In some scenes I barely noticed it. Actually, in most scenes, all I would see are about 3 red lines.

The simple fact that you manged to see at least three red scars across half her face shows that her disfigurement is noticeable and it's not unimaginable that awful children would call her a monster.

I never said otherwise.

Then quit saying that people suffering from very bad acne have it worse!

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] 11 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

Are you serious? Look at the picture. All you see is three red lines

In the distance, she's fine. But when you get closer, you clearly see the scars on her.

She has SCARS (not the plural unlike the singular you used) and you can see them.

I am not a doctor. I would not call her affliction anything. Plenty of people have problems and no "name" for those problems.

Whoa! You're an idiot!

She does have an affliction! She's disfigured!

You seem to be in the minority here. I guess we are all just blind.

You do find them noticeable. The problem you all have is is that you feel her disfigurement is no reason for her to be so upset and for children to mock her about.

Where does this come from? Where did I say that she does not have a right to feel bad about her appearance? She has a right to feel anything she wants to. My point was that she should not feel that way because it is completely irrational.

But it isn't irrational at all!

Your argument that she's acting irrational because her disfigurement could have been a lot worse is idiotic!

A dimple is also noticeable. So what?

Hardly ugly scars.

They do because it is much more noticeable. You don't have to be a genius to see that. Just google severe acne and maybe you can see for yourself.

I'm referring to the additional pain she feels and not just her disfigurement.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] 11 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Yorick_Brown 11 years ago

If children throw stones at her for a scar that is barely noticeable from a
distance then they must rape and physically assault anyone with noticeable acne.

I'm sure that worse scarred people are humiliated and even assaulted too.

That is not a disfigurement. I know people who have far more scars from acne than that. They would not be labelled as disfigured by a medical doctor. Do you even know what a disfigurement is?

I'm not a doctor but I am sure that Beatrice's affliction would be called a disfigurement (just as people who suffered from terrible acne would be called disfigured as well).

No, because it is not that big a deal. It is not an idiotic argument at all. I know plenty of people who have gotten sad about certain things and later realized they should not have.

This isn't one of them. It's perfectly justifiable to be upset about an affliction like this.

I did not find it ugly at all.

That's your opinion and given that you're an idiot, it doesn't mean much.

But that is all we are talking about. Unless you are expecting me to read your mind.

You don't. I said it outright.

Stepping over what now towers to the sky
With no connection...

-The Shins (Phantom Limb)

[–] 11 years ago

[deleted]