Hungarians - Dead Man Down (2013) Discussion

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[–] Chromwagner 11 years ago

Yes, I know he is and I know he does but I'm afraid you confuse the actor with his character.

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[–] Chromwagner 11 years ago

Of course there is a difference!

He is a trained actor and he impersonates people for a living as opposed to us (people who are not actors).

His character is a grieving ex-engineer (Hungarian education system not so good at foreign languages) who works for the Mafia and spends all his spare time with spying on/capturing/killing these people whilst living alone.

And losing/covering your accent in English (as you mentioned he can lose his Irish to sound American) is a piece of cake compared to perfecting English to that level in just a few years when your mother tongue requires totally different mechanisms and movements to form sounds.
Most people aren't able to achieve that in a lifetime.

If he is that one exception then he should become a professor at a university after he's done with the gang!

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[–] Chromwagner 11 years ago

Hahaha! As if you had any idea what Hungarian accent sounded like!

But you are right, let's just leave logic, reason and real life experience behind and have ourselves a superhero whose special ability is to learn languages!

By the way I am Hungarian and also a qualified teacher living in England for the past 10 years so I think I know a thing or two about this.

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[–] Chromwagner 11 years ago

You being unable to have a civilised, rational conversation and going as low as trying to insult me when you cannot handle the facts, proves nothing but that the incompetent simpleton is you.

You must be one of those miserable degenerates who come to the message boards to pick a fight and when you realise the bar is too high for you, you just won't leave until you turn it into an unintelligent sh*tstorm.

Well done, you just humiliated yourself publicly in a nice long thread.

Maybe just try and find something that you are actually good at!

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[–] Chromwagner 11 years ago

You are acting like an unintelligent kid - which you may be, I don't know, nor do I care.

You keep repeating the same invalid point and throwing back at me what I said last, even the emoticon!

It's your shame not mine you pathetic moron.

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[–] LeCinemaGuy 11 years ago

Speaking with an Irish AND american accent AS A NATIVE BORN ENGLISH SPEAKER for any length of time with no mistakes is no doubt difficult to do.

Speaking with an Irish OR American accent AS A 30 YEAR OLD IMMIGRANT AND NON NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER is next to impossible.

Carrot, your replies are dimwitted and unoriginal; your attempts at using big words should probably just stop altogether. You consider yourself smart I'm guessing, great, so go read what Orwell says about word use and fools.

Im genuinely concerned about what you must be going through here on planet earth. Do you feel the need to talk to people that way? And I know obviously you don't understand this concept: you look like a fool when you carry on unintelligibly and don't have an understanding of what goes into linguistics, syntax, dialect, lexicons, conjugations, intonations, tonality and several other words you do not grasp that go into the forming of a language and its finer details like accents.

I was forced to make a comment to you. I wish I didn't have to sign in. God. This is how badly you have irritated the world.

Respond to clear the raging air from your lungs and ass as you see fit. I won't however take the risk to find out you haven't taken my good advice. I will take my leave now, happy to have made a positive effect on your life. Good day to you.

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[–] tuskone16 11 years ago

The comment above you is against you. Amusing to see how idiot you are.
And yes mastering a second language to perfection is not an option, especially if you are from a totally different language like Hungarian, Chinese, Japanese.

Saying something in the same language but with a slightly different accent is much much easier to do.

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

Nah. Going to jump on the bandwagon here and call you out for being a *beep* too.

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[–] uponapyre 10 years ago

Sorry roz, but you can't be very bright if you're not understanding what carrot is saying.

Try reading what he wrote again, slowly. He makes perfect sense and you're just being arrogant.

You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, Darling!

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[–] rencikraljica 8 years ago

Only pathetic thing here is you.

You started crying about non Hungarian language,and whatnot.

You say people have no idea what Hungarian sounds like?Well guess what,we have internet,with access to everything.If someone really wanted to listen that gypsy language,he would.

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[–] demon-xp 11 years ago

Never met a Hungarian without accent.
And I know some...

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 9 years ago

I agree with Chrom. If you are really so smart, you wouldn't have to resort to insults first. I think you are pathetic too and do not deserve any respect.

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[–] filompra 11 years ago

Yeah, his accent is ridiculous. Eastern Europeans don't shred their accents at all. I'm not being offensive.
For example: I'm Italian / Irish. Born and raised in Italy but my father is Irish and I grew up speaking both languages (Italian and English).
Now I live in the States and, with all due respect for my fellow wops, I'm the only Italian guy I've ever heard, after many years living in the US, who doesn't sound Italian, when he speaks English. But that's because of my Irish father.
If both my parents were Italian, I'd sound like Super Mario Bros. Exactly like any other Italian I've ever met abroad.
A Hungarian should sound Hungarian. Stating otherwise is nonsense. You don't believe me? Check out Milos Forman's interviews.
He's been living in the States since '75, when he directed "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", and he still sounds like he just got off the boat.

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[–] TheManInOil 9 years ago

Lots of people are able to shed accents quickly. That's not the legit part of your complaint. Could they go the extra mile and get real Hungarians? Sure.

Maybe they thought they did?

Also, they may have specifically instructed them not to say anything intelligible that might distract from what we're supposed to pay attention to, the way extras are sometimes told to just say "rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb".

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[–] timwebuk 11 years ago

In Ireland they mainly speak English, so it is easier to pick up and change accents. Not so easy when your first language is different and the new one has different pronunciation, characters, and annunciation's.

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[–] leforcat 10 years ago

How can you confuse an English-speaking Irishman with a Hungarian? Hungarian isn't even Indo-European!

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[–] ChuckFinnley 11 years ago

They do this with Russians, Polish, Germans pretty often.

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[–] tenantennae 11 years ago

Or better yet, in order to accommodate Colin Farrell, have all the Hungarians speak with Irish accents like the Macedonians in 'Alexander' did

Kidding of course XD

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[–] tonksrock 11 years ago

I agree, Eastern European accents are very strong. I live in an area where there are many Russians, Ukranians, Georgians, etc., and even those who have lived here for decades still have an accent. Also, the syntax is different. They will say things like "she is nice girl" instead of "she is a nice girl," etc.

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[–] bigislander72 11 years ago

I have met a few rare individuals who have managed to speak flawless American English after only a few years...special classes exist that help to smooth out the pronunciation issues.

Didn't Beatrice comment on his lack of accent to which he said he's work very hard to get rid of it?

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[–] tenantennae 11 years ago

True, I have met such people as well, (though no Hungarians that I know of). But it's certainly not impossible, especially if someone is as determined as he was.

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[–] Yellowman88 11 years ago

its possible. A lot of foreigners do this with their English accent.

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[–] verexal 11 years ago

rozgonyi-d -- Union films don't drag people in for 20 bucks a day. My Eastern European wife has no trace of her accent. You apparently know little about accents and less about films.

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[–] Chromwagner 11 years ago

Apparently. I apologise for the inconvenience.

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[–] Hexeon 11 years ago

In the movie Victor was questioned by Beatrice why he didn't have a Hungarian accent, he said he worked hard to get rid of it. He didn't say why, but of course we know why, in order to infiltrate Alphonse's organization, he had to get rid of his accent.

There are a lot of materials on how to lose your accent out there, and I personally know someone who went thru broadcasting school to lose her accent from her first language, and in 6 months she sounded perfect, so I know this can be done.

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[–] stefan899 11 years ago

I find it hard to believe any non English speaker could lose their accent entirely and sound like a flawless American. How come Henry Kissinger and Arnie still have accents? Because its impossible to lose unless you have brain surgery. Ever heard of foreign accent syndrome which a few people suffer after a stroke or brain trauma? They start speaking with a foreign accent and cannot get their original accent back, even after years of speech therapy!

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[–] stefan899 11 years ago

I said non English speakers. Colin is Irish, they speak English. Anyway, I am talking about his character Victor. And you can add Van Damme, Dolph Lundgren, and Stellan Skarsgard to the study, and they all came to America younger than Victor. I just gave you 5 examples. YOu give me one example of any famous person of NON-ENGLISH descent that sounds totally American after living in America after the age of 18?? Then I will rest my case.

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[–] stefan899 11 years ago

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. How can I verify the people the posters know are speaking true American? I dont even think you understand the point of what the original poster or I are trying to make. Get it through your head I am not referring to Colin Farrel, but his character Victor! Yes, Hungarians speak English in USA - thats not my point, retard. Do they speak English without any regional accent??? Thats my point.

Let me make it plain and simple for you. I ask you to give me one example of a famous person that was born and raised in any country BESIDES South Africa, Australia, NZ, UK, or Ireland, that live in America and speak without ANY hint of a foreign accent. Is that so hard to understand?

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[–] stefan899 11 years ago

You obviously dont get the point. Obviously your English is poor if you cannot comprehend what I am saying. *SIGH* For the last time you retard, I am not talking about people speaking English, I am talking about ACCENTS. Once again, Colin is Irish. Irish people speak English. Therefore Colin is able to sound American and drop his Irish accent whenever he chooses, same with Hugh Jackman, same with Toni Collette. However, Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz cannot. Noomi Rapace still has a Swedish accent. Matthias does not sound 100% American and speaks with a Flemish accent.

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[–] appyyh 11 years ago

I agree with you totally. I am a non native English speaker of Finnish ancestry living in Canada. Americans living in the southern US states like Alabama and Mississippi have very different accent from those living in New England states like Massachusetts and Maine even to my "foreign" ears. And I can tell the British Queen's English accent from the Australian or Scottish English accents right away too on TV shows. I have also known Asians who speak flawless English and French-Canadians who speak flawless Mandarin Chinese in business circles where competition necessitates such perfection to win. Just because Henry Kissinger is too lazy to change his accent does not mean that other smarter people cannot. There is a wise saying pretty much universal in every country on Earth, to the effect that " Where there is a will, there is a way."

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[–] HaChayalBoded 11 years ago

I was born in Hungary, I don't even have a hint of an accent. Actually I do have an accent, a Brooklyn\New Yawk accent, then for a while I had a Lawn Guyland accent for a few years. Now I'm back to New Yawk.

I also speak several languages. When I travel the states or the globe people peg me for a New Yorker off the bat, no matter where in the world I am. at first I assume I may have done something wrong or rude or inappropriate. Nope, it was the accent.

In college I met a girl, we casually saw one another for months, then one day she answers the phone and speaks to her mother in perfect, fluent Hungarian. I had no idea she spoke Hungarian, and she no idea that I did. I was floored. Then I immediately made us some stuffed cabbage and crepes. We later realized that our parents lived in the same tiny hole in the wall village just a generation ago.

A few weeks back I was at a party, speaking with a few girls, figured they were from Brooklyn or Jersey. Until one answered the phone and spoke in perfect, fluent Russian. No accents in any of the 3. They came to this country when they were teenagers, about 5 years ago. They however did take English in school.

My point is, if you work at it, you can lose your accent in a few years.

The character was determined, he said he worked very hard at it. And I know about 50 people, native Hungarian speakers, uncles, aunts, cousins, distant relatives, who have absolutely no trace of a Hungarian accent.

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[–] Raven623 11 years ago

All of you! This whole thread is nothing but banal and vitriolic. And what does any of this have with enjoying the film? BTW, are any of you familiar with the concept of, "suspension of disbelief?"

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