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USS Callister - Loved the theme & aesthetics but absolutely ridiculous.


Being the first and only episode i've seen so far (netflix played this episode first for some reason) I mostly liked it but there were a few things that prevented me from enjoying it more.

First being the lack of moral context given. What are the rules? I wasn't entirely convinced of Daly's "villainy" for his treatment of digital "clones". Are these digital copies just hyper advanced programs that "act" like real people or are they actually sentient beings? I'm supposed to feel that Daly simply got his comeuppance for torturing digital programs based on real life people? This is never explained and seems open to personal interpretation, the idea being completely hypothetical and fictional.

Second it is established that the digital "clones" have been stuck in Daly's game program for a very very long time and have tried and failed many times to escape/undermine Daly's program with no success. Nannette shows up and pretty much immediately single-handed comes up with the solutions to undermine Daly's program where the others collectively could not in all their time there.

Daly catches her first ploy & instead of recognizing Nannette to be a serious threat simply thinks intimidating her by punishing some one else will do the trick. Thus leaving her to immediately come up with another brilliant ploy to undermine him the minute he leaves. Throw in Daly being naive/dumb enough to fall for her transparent ploy to distract him is just too hard to believe and take at all seriously.

Don't even get me started on digital Nannette easily convincing real life Nannette to commit a felony against her boss no less without hesitation and may very well be implicated in his death later, all so her pg 13 lingerie photos (ridiculous no matter how x rated) wouldn't be released on the internet and to people she knows? Come on!

Ultimately like i said i still liked the concept and theme but glaring plot holes and Daly's cartoon "villainy" that necessitated uncharacteristic stupidity and carelessness needed to make the plot work kind of made it lose impact.

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I've expressed much the same concerns in other threads here. I would like to respond to a few points.

I got the idea that the digital clones are supposed to be sentient beings, therefore the Daly's treatment of them despicable. Also explains their desire to break free from his tyranny.

"Nannette shows up and pretty much immediately single-handed comes up with the solutions to undermine Daly's program where the others collectively could not in all their time there."

I think this is supposed to be commentary on how people give up and resign themselves to the their fate. The group did tell stories of how they previously tried and failed. They end up trying to convince newcomers how hopeless things really are. But human spirit, triumph over evil and underdogs rising up is a popular theme.

"Throw in Daly being naive/dumb enough to fall for her transparent distraction ploy and plot is just too hard to believe and take at all seriously."

Daly seems to be a social misfit and I doubt a guy like that would have the social intelligence to recognize a ploy. That's why he has to steal DNA and build his own world to begin with. But, yeah, super naive.

The blackmail idea was just stupid. But the most ridiculous plot point was that he could use a DNA sample to recreate them digitally, including personality, thoughts and memories. WTF?

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Please check out more episodes..
Despite the attention this one received it is absolutely the worst episode of all seasons..
To me

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Its just a fun lighthearted episode not to be taken seriously.

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""First being the lack of moral context given. What are the rules? I wasn't entirely convinced of Daly's "villainy" for his treatment of digital "clones". Are these digital copies just hyper advanced programs that "act" like real people or are they actually sentient beings?""

It is made clear they're totally sentient with the quite lengthy sequence of Nanette's "introduction" into the virtual world. They go to great lenghts to establish that the whole time she's totally convinced she's real ("but I'm me...") and naturally doesn't understand how she got instantly transfered in a "spaceship". So the same goes for the others and so yes it is cruel even if they're just software.


""Second it is established that the digital "clones" have been stuck in Daly's game program for a very very long time and have tried and failed many times to escape/undermine Daly's program with no success. Nannette shows up and pretty much immediately single-handed comes up with the solutions to undermine Daly's program where the others collectively could not in all their time there.""

This is established earlier in the real world when she's introduced to us as a very skilled programmer who applied for the job because she admired her boss's code programming innovations (meaning she was at a close level). She was way better with computers/programming/hacking than any of the others and both of her two "tries" for a solution were largely based on those skills. In short for the first time they had a "match" for their coding genius tyrant-god.


""Don't even get me started on digital Nannette easily convincing real life Nannette to commit a felony against her boss no less without hesitation and may very well be implicated in his death later, all so her pg 13 lingerie photos (ridiculous no matter how x rated) would't be released on the internet and to people she knows? Come on!""

Kind of far-fetched yes. Still she was a quite timid person and these pictures it was established were extreme XXX...

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Reply to that post about Nanette and Walton having an affair

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What happened to Daly at the end? They must have found him at his appartement a few days later and woke him up.
He might as well even started the whole thing again.

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It's been a long time since I watched the episode so I don't remember the details that well but I seem to recall it being strongly suggested if not out right made clear that Daly's brain was basically fried & was likely going to die of dehydration before anyone discovered him.

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This episode, and San Junipero, are easily the most overrated Black Mirror episodes out there!!

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Don't even get me started on San Junipero. USS Callister is overrated but still nowhere near as overrated as that sappy, pandering mediocrity.

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I find this episode highly entertaining, but the plot holes are even more ridiculous than you point out here.

The most glaring one is this:

Assuming for the sake of argument somehow there is a way to create digital clones of people that have pissed you off for whatever reason and insert them in your gaming platform so you can get your jollies off by torturing them as you please, from samples of their DNA off of coffee cups or suckers or what have you. DNA only contains code sufficient to replicate your physical biology, it doesn't contain code for all your memories and experiences up to the point of your digital creation. These people appeared in his game with their real world memories intact. DNA simply can't do that. Only your brain in its entirety contains that information. In reality, these people would've awoken in the game as mindless automatons or puppets that just looked like the egregious office workers.

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I've seen this brought up before and while I agree with the premise that the idea of transferring consciousness through DNA doesn't seem to make a lot of sense upon scrutiny, I'd say that's not really a plot hole as much a pure science fiction element that the audience is meant to suspend their disbelief about & accept that in this universe they 'somehow' figured it out.

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Obviously the audience is supposed to accept it, and the episode would be impossible without that, but it makes for poor science fiction when your story relies on science elements that are impossible as opposed to improbable.

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Plausibility has never exactly been a requirement in science fiction & there are more egregious examples of impossible science that are commonly used in the genre, so the DNA consciousness transfer thing isn't a significant complaint for me personally.

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it makes for poor science fiction when your story relies on science elements that are impossible as opposed to improbable.

I agree with this. It would have been better if the DNA sample was accompanied by some sort of brain scan (maybe through the security checkpoint?) that captured a "snapshot" of the current pattern of electrical brain impulses or some such technobabble.

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They threw a bone to Trekkies. It was well done and the bird was lovely.

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The real problem here is your DNA doesn’t contain your memories and personality, it’s just a blueprint of your biology. While, for the sake of argument, it may be possible for Daly to clone his employees into his game, these clones would be mindless vessels with no memory of the outside world.

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