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One thing that has really been bothering me since seeing the movie last night. We see the ghost (presumably the ghost of Glick) throw Caity around the house like a ragdoll. So why would the ghost not just kill Judas when it clearly has the physical power to do so? The spirit could also have easily prevented Judas from killing Caity's sister and the others.
Personally, I find this to be a fundamental flaw in the story. It doesn't make sense.
Okay, my take is this...
Judas is a ghost himself, hence his image showing up in the viewfinder of the cop's camera while the room behind it seemed empty. This would explain how he still appears to be occupying the room after taking a shot to the head. He, like Glick, is a ghost haunting that place, and while Glick may have been freed by Annie solving her mystery, Judas is still in there.
I disagree about Judas being a ghost. You can't shoot ghosts for one, they don't bleed, or eat. The ghost on the ouija, Glick, is it? Was clearly telling her that Judas lived below them. I think she threw the girls about in order to scare them out of the house. Why couldn't she do this with Judas himself? Ghosts can't kill people for one. And secondly, could have something to do with the fact that Judas killed her. More to the point, I think this film had so many plot flaws anyway.
share"I think she threw the girls about in order to scare them out of the house."
I think she was actually trying to guide them to places she wanted them to find. Examples: Pushing Annie towards the closet - right where secret door/Nicole/below were. Knife in a wall - right where uncle's bedroom was. Dragging Stevie to beneath the bed frame - right where the trap door was.
"Ghosts can't kill people for one"
You said it yourself. So she had to guide Annie to do it for her so her spirit can be free.
It has already been determined in the rules of this movie that the ghost has the power to move things, pick people up and drag people. To take this information and then assume that the ghost cannot kill someone is nonsense. She obviously had the ability to not only kill him but open up his crawlspace and expose what happened. The only reason this didn't is because the writer/director thought it would be a good twist and it wasn't.
shareWell, it is also "traditional" ghost storytelling that ghosts cannot harm their killers. Otherwise, things would end too easily. Rules like this are made up for a reason.
shareNope. If you go to Paranormal school, Entity 101 says, in Article 23005-6-09, says ghosts cannot kill people. Demons, however, can kill people.
Seriously, it is yet another flaw in this movie. Why can a ghost throw people around, levitate people, but not kill them? A good, hard impact with the floor can kill someone fast!
Judas is a ghost himself, hence his image showing up in the viewfinder of the cop's camera while the room behind it seemed empty. This would explain how he still appears to be occupying the room after taking a shot to the head. He, like Glick, is a ghost haunting that place, and while Glick may have been freed by Annie solving her mystery, Judas is still in there.
gray pixel, I've seen your similar post on another thread, and it seems you can't let go of this idea. I really believe you're wrong in this and you may be the only person I saw think this. Judas was stabbed, wounded, they must have found his body as well as the sheriff's, else Annie could have been blamed for the sheriff's murder if there was no other body. They must have also found Nicole's (the sister) and Liz's (the cousin) bodies, and again must have gotten Judas', else if he was a ghost and there was no body, then she could have been blamed as the killer. Did she kill 3 people and then say a ghost did it? I think not. They found 4 bodies (which included Judas'). I think you really got to put this concept you have to rest.
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Hah, you're certainly right I seem to be all alone. I don't particularly care one way or the other, but I just find it odd no one else is troubled by that shot of Judas walking by the camera on the ground (it's very certainly his image, not Glicks) while the room remains empty. Maybe it's just terrible film-making, a gimmicky shot used well before the plot is fully unveiled, that the writers/editors/director/whoever really didn't care to reconcile with the overall story. But it any half-decent movie, a shot like that would have a point, and there were some things I really liked about this film despite its flaws, to the point where I'd like to give these people the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't anyone else at least find that shot odd if we're to believe he's flesh-and-blood?
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Maybe it's just terrible film-making, a gimmicky shot used well before the plot is fully unveiled, that the writers/editors/director/whoever really didn't care to reconcile with the overall story.
I may quicker believe you're right in the above aspect as I still think he was flesh and blood. You remember when the ghost was flinging her about? We never saw the ghost, we just knew it was a ghost that was flinging her. But with Judas, we saw him. Because the producers wanted us to know that he was real, else they could have shown us flashes with him not being seen, and could have shown us the ghost flinging her about. I do believe that whatever you saw before may have been a gimmicky shot as you said. They do make mistakes and that's why there are often goofs exposed.
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IIRC the film camera zooms in so that most of the frame is filled by what we see in the camera. I think it's confusing on purpose, but I'm pretty sure that lens (from the what they show in the frame of the photo camera vs in the film shot) would fit most of the room in it. So you are seeing a tilted and wider angle shot through the still camera, and a very zoomed in floor shot through the film camera. It creates the feeling that there couldn't be anyone behind, but since the film camera is actually zoomed close to the photo camera I think you could actually have some one walk through that view and you would not see it in the outlying shot on screen.
I just find it odd no one else is troubled by that shot of Judas walking by the camera on the ground (it's very certainly his image, not Glicks) while the room remains empty.I don’t see how that is so certain. The figure has an eerily skinny upper half (which matches Charles’ emaciated physique), but it also seems to have a wide, billowy bottom like a dress. The first time I saw it, I assumed it was a woman, and thus Jennifer’s ghost (especially since at that point, they had not established Charles’ presence yet).
I re-watched that part and, at the very end when it focuses more on the camera, it seems the figure is naked from waist up. It must be Charles and a cheat from the director.
shareGlick's ghost was not able to kill people,she could just move stuff..and people.She couldn't do the same with Judas since he's the one who killed her so she must've been weak around him.That's why she needed Annie's help to kill him and free her soul.
"You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough."
Where are people saying ghosts can't kill people? We don't really know that..........
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Well if the ghost can move stuff, she should be able to swiftly move a heavy frying pan right upside his head. Or move a steak knife speedily in the direction of his jugular vein. Or wait until he's asleep and then move the refrigerator right on top of his head. I mean, something. If she can move stuff, she might as well move something useful.
But there are plausible explanations that could keep this from being a plot hole. Like maybe the ghost was stupid. And just couldn't figure it out. I don't see why that couldn't be plausible. There are plenty of stupid living people walking around right now. And if one of them happened to get hit by a bus or something, I don't think their ghost would suddenly turn smart. As the irreproachable Judge Judy always says; stupid is forever.
When the ghost was throwing around the main character it was trying to get her to the closet and hopefully to the secret room. It wanted her to help her to help her sister and the cousin who were possibly still alive and just bound.
The ghost could only interact with her because she was the one wearing the cross. Also, ghosts typically can't interact with the person that killed them in movies. They usually need to reach out to someone who they have a connection with (for whatever reason) and ask them to help.
i think you guys forgot about one very important concept known as Justice. Glick's ghost didn't kill Judas simply because he wanted him caught, or otherwise put down. not just killed in the dark and forgotten like a myth, but exposed and brought to justice.
then again, Glick's strategy of using her own daughter to fulfil her quest for justice... not the best parenting eh? ah well... when in doubt, just blame the ghost for being a ghost and thus bounded by "ghost rules". (ghost moms use their daughters as bait. whee.)
Umm, Annie wasn't Glick's daughter. Just pointing out. :)
shareMan you folks really know how to beat a dead horse to death. Enough about the ghost, the camera, and just enjoy the movie.
Just kidding.
No, you guys are really good at interpreting things, and thinking outside of the box to figure things out. Maybe we should have exiled everyone at the White House and let you guys figure things out to at the start to avoid this (finally ended) shutdown.
Now, I think the idea of the camera showing the image in the cameras viewer, but not in the background made sense, until I watched that scene again. The image in the cameras viewer shows the window, the wall, and other surroundings in the room. So there was no space between what we saw in the viewer and in the background (room) to fit a person walking by without seeing them in the room at the same time. So, that image more than likely is the ghost. However, I think it is the ghost Glick walking by and helplessly witnessing the killer (Judas) kill the detective.
Even if we were to assume a ghost could not directly kill, what if Annie fell and hit her head and died while the ghost was trying to get her to go see something? She would have died indirectly as a result of that ghost's actions. Or she could have freak out, ran out the house, and into the path of an oncoming vehicle.
That's complete non-sense. Glick wouldn't have allowed a single new person to be killed is she had the power to kill Charles.
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"One thing that has really been bothering me since seeing the movie last night. We see the ghost (presumably the ghost of Glick) throw Caity around the house like a ragdoll. So why would the ghost not just kill Judas when it clearly has the physical power to do so? The spirit could also have easily prevented Judas from killing Caity's sister and the others."
I know what you mean, but what I took from the film was that the ghost DID try to warn the sister, Nichole, and the cousin Liz. We saw Nichole at the beginning, and she had obviously spent at least one night in the house. She experienced some odd things like the lights flickering and the presence behind her when she was sitting at the computer. (There may have been more that we didn't see, as she was a little jumpy from the start.) Annie experienced the flickering lights and things knocked over (although that last may well have been the killer) when she was first in the house, before the funeral. After the funeral, when the two women and the child went back to the house, cousin Liz is also rather restless and hears a couple of noises, gets up to investigate, then goes back to bed. Annie then finds that Liz is missing, and is then thrown around, as you mentioned above. What I took from this, as the film went on, is that the killer has been dormant (or has been prevented from killing - or even has kept on killing, but also kept coming back to his hideaway) for years, but is now active again, and killing in the house. The ghost tries to warn the girls, but without success, but eventually she manages to marshal her powers, so to speak, and give better warnings. It could just be that Annie is more open to her influence. However, even if this is true (or, rather, what the writer intended, because since it's a matter of interpretation, it's as true as anything else!), it does mean that the ghost gathered her powers rather quickly! I also agree with someone else's comment, that the ghost was trying to lead them to where the killer was.
However, as to the point you make about why the ghost didn't stop Judas from killing by affecting him - there I'm a bit stumped! Maybe she was still terrified of her killer?
According to traditional belief, a ghost is the restless spirits of someone who died wrongfully. By murder, betrayal, execution etc. They typically come back to haunt a location until the all too often mysterious circumstances around their death has been solved.
Ghosts have been known to kill people in one way or another. In a lot of campfire stories or other tales, the ghost may suddenly appear in the middle of a road forcing the frightened victim to steer off the road and die in the crash etc. But
Now, the Glick ghost in the movie obviously have some supernatural powers to move things. Even throw people around like ragdolls. It's safe to assume that the ghost could easily kill Judas if she really wanted to. But the ghost's main objective is to have Judas brought to justice, or at least have her own murder solved by the authorities. If Judas would be found dead, he would be discarded as an old man who accidently fell in the kitchen and broke his neck. If he's even going to be found, that is. The mysterious case of the Judas killer and his victims would remain unsolved.
But why the Glick ghost seemingly never attempted to stop Judas from killing Caity's siter, that's a good question. Maybe the ghost had some idea to let the sister see Judas with her own eyes as he was walking around the house. Thinking she could use her powers to stop him once the sister was aware they had a strange man walking around the house. And maybe that plan simply failed. The ghost is just a dead human after all, not an allmighty genious.
Or, maybe Caity was the only one being perceptive to the Glick ghost's presence. So the ghost decided to dedicate herself to protect and make contact with Caity. So maybe the ghost didn't give a damn about the sister or anyone else.
Hahahaa! I asked this same question about why couldn't the spirit just have killed the ghost herself or at least help the individuals who died by moving them out of harms way. I see the theory that some people gave you which is that she became weak around the ghost or something to that effect, but that doesn't hold over:
Why not just shove all the victims out of harm's way or into weapons the same way she FINALLY decided to do with Annie after a full-fledged battle? I see she left Annie to her own devices in the closet tied up and left to herself to escape instead of flinging out of there at a moment's notice. I see she didn't fling the officer who died or the girls out of harm's way when they were attacked the way the spirit FINALLY decided to do with Annie to the gun. What was she doing the whole time Annie was screaming in the closet tied up and the other girls were being killed, just invisibly sitting back and eating popcorn the whole time, like watching a damn movie.
And she wouldn't even have to touch the killer at all. Why not shove a couch into the him if she is able to move people and inanimate objects around with such force, like she opened the door. She wouldn't need to move around or touch the dude at all, she could just run things into him if this spirit apparently has these powers to move everything.
Seems like the spirit has fun watching drama. We didn't see her flip any of the other sisters out of harms way when the psycho killed them all. Based upon her powers, there were many things this spirit could have done to assist these three who died and chose not to. So I have to assume the woman who died and became a spirit was slow! I think the only way to explain it is that the woman he killed and was a raving dumb@ss.