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People rate negative black films highly, but positive films about blacks


Are considered unrealistic, and get rated poorly. Interesting.

The movie was nicely done, it made me feel many emotions, anger, sympathy, sadness, etc. As soon as I wanted to feel sorry for the sniper or the kid, they reminded me how much they deserved their ending. Life can suck, things happen, and yea, he was right, life isn't fair, but you have the control to make your life more meaningful and positive, as cliche as that sounds. It seems like somewhere deep inside the sniper was a decent man, deep deep deep down inside........


I remember he was on death row , they killed him quick!! People are normally on death row for at least a decade, he was killed like 3 years or less after his conviction.

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Do you have any examples? The only positive 'black movies' I can think of that are consistently rated poorly are Tyler Perry films, but that's just because Tyler Perry is awful, I don't think it has anything to do racism. The Blind Side, Do The Right Thing, Hotel Rwanda, The Pursuit of Happiness, Precious, etc, all depict black people positively and realistically and are rated highly. (Don't quote me on the last two though, I haven't actually seen them, that's just what I can list off the top of my head).

As for THIS movie though, I agree. You could sense that the guy was probably a decent human being at some point in the past (outwardly at least), but life beat him down and his distorted perceptions took over. He struck me as someone who's more sick than "evil", per se.

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I will look for some for you... But... The Blind Side is not positive, it is a a movie that displays dysfunction among blacks, and the white savior dynamic, which is so played... and that is what people, even blacks, want to see... dysfunctional blacks.. robbing, stealing, raping, killing... struggling... not their best, etc. Americans, probably viewers from other countries as well, are more receptive to blacks when they are needy, down and out, criminal minded, obese, diseased, etc. When there are films that display blacks in another light, for them that is deemed unrealistic... that was what I was referring to...

Do The Right Thing, a classic no less, displays racial tensions and racial intolerance... = Dysfunction

Hotel Rwanda, a historical reference peace, was an ok movie, but it also showed black dysfunction, blacks killing other blacks...

The Pursuit Of Happiness, black dysfunction, a black man down and out, homeless.... yea, he triumphed at the end... but dysfunction nonetheless....

Precious... seriously, I am sure you get the picture on that one....

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you still pissed no one went to see Idlewild?

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All you're describing is the very nature of drama and good story telling. If you're watching a movie that has no conflict, no tension, no struggle, you're watching a Disney movie.

Just out of curiosity, what would be a "positive" movie for you? The Frog Princess?
I'm not being flippant, I'm genuinely curious. Give me an example of even a "white" movie that is "positive"? Romantic comedies?

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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"Give me an example of even a "white" movie that is "positive"? "

Six Pack, starring Kenny Rogers.

Love's turned to lust and blood's turned to dust in my heart.

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I sooo agree with you about The Blind Side. I think to miss the racism of the film, one would have to view it in a complete vacuum. Also often missed is the fact that the only people with real agency in the movie are white, whereas in the actual circumstances, the really exceptional initiative and action must have been Michael's.

I somewhat disagree with you, as far as specifics go, about The Pursuit of Happiness. I think it illustrates an amazing amount of function, actually, but that's its problem: I'm not saying it's the filmmaker's intention to do so, but it easily allows viewers to see poverty as an individual ill cured by individual action, instead of a sociological dynamic. The main character is about as exceptional of a human being as possible. It shouldn't require that kind of exceptionalism to not be struggling and even homeless. I liked this movie, unlike The Blind Side, and it's a great story and a fairly good film with a virtuoso lead performance, but I still find it problematic in a larger context. The take-away can certainly be negative, not just in terms of poverty but in terms of race, as well.

As for your main assertion, it would be interesting to get some empirical evidence. I definitely suspect you're right, but we can only hypothesize without statistical analysis of the quantitative data. I'd imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to do. It wouldn't be too challenging to narrowly define the terms (such as "positive," etc.) nor to apply statistics. It might be challenging to find a really large and representative sample of films just because I'm not sure IMDb enables the search criteria that'd be necessary. I bet there's a good deal of research out there about the general subject, but maybe not based on IMDb. 'Same goes for portrayals of women and reactions to them. Anyway, if I'm feeling really ambitious, maybe I'll give it a start. If anyone else is interested in running some research like that, just send me a private message. Otherwise, if I can get access to an database of academic journals, I'll look into finding whatever research has already been done. I'm so used to having access to university library databases, it's a bit frustrating not to.

Bravo for bringing smart discussion and awareness about these kind of issues to IMDb. [smile]

C'mon, Yolanda, what's Fonzie like?

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Oh, I just realized your username results in "increase knowledge." [laugh] I like it.

C'mon, Yolanda, what's Fonzie like?

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Oh, for the hate of PC would you just shut that *beep* up!

Whitey has given in to all your demands, even letting thug rappers take over the entertainment industry and still you whine.

Yea, Tho I Walk Thru The Valley Of The Shadow Of Political Correctness...🇺🇸

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nkresseslknowledge:

I get what you're saying, but, geesh, black people are human beings just like everyone else,. We make mistakes, some of us screw up,all of that, some of us go through just doing what we need to do to live and have a decent life. Dysfunction has nothing to do with your skin color,anyway. We ought to be able to show the full range of ourselves in all our strengths and weaknesses as human beings in films, TV show, and in real life.

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A few positive black films with high ratings:

The Great Debaters (2007) - 7.6
Akeelah and the Bee (2006) - 7.5
Hollywood Shuffle (1987) - 7.1

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"Lee Daniels: The Butler.." showered with praise..
"12 Years A Slave..." showered with praise..
"The Blind Side..." showered with praise... what are you talking about? anyway this film was excellent; and the fact that the main characters were black is completely irrelevant to it's quality. And the people the film is based on were black; that's just a fact.

"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'

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And it's always about the race bout the race...no treble. Ha! I made myself laugh.

Another thing that makes me laugh is race being CONSTANTLY brought up.

ENOUGH.

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The sniper was a decent man? An oxymoron if ever I heard one.

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