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Conclusion = Never was one of the 'greats'


I'm quite confident now this guy had only a few good movies, and he just lucked out.

He wasn't really even THAT sensational in the film's he was in.

I think he's just a case of a mediocre at best actor who lucked out early, and appeared would age like wine, not age like my scrotum.

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You seem to have some kind of vendetta against him

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You've obviously never watched Mean Streets. the Dear Hunter. Taxi Driver. Raging Bull. need I go on cuz I can.

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?? Yes ?

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^ what he said ^

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DeNiro was like Matt Damon, Ben Affleck,etc., along with Christopher Walken, Al Pacino, Harvey Keitel, and the group that started in the early 1970s. They were given a lot of great opportunities.

Christopher Walken has made a lot of good movies even after he got old, and a lot of supporting roles.

Al Pacino has made some bad movies, but mostly he has been in good movies.

Keitel was mostly in supporting roles, and just had one acting personality.

DeNiro had done a lot of good movies, but he peaked around 1980 Raging Bull.

He has done tons of crappy movies, and most of the time he just plays himself. It is not acting.

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caryguy, all the films you mentioned were made almost 40 years ago or more than 40 years ago.

You can't really go on, because after that period his films/performances went way down.

The only think I thought he really did well in was the film with the brilliant Phillip Seymour Hoffman in 1999 the film "Flawless", even back than I thought it had been quite a stretch to see DeNiro in a movie where he made some effort.

That kind of drives home the OP's point.

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My problem with DE NIRO these days is his inability to lose himself in a character, we are seeing the same facial expressions, mannerisms, delivery and performance time after time, hes become a shadow of his former self. Add to that his insistence, like other members of his profession, to air his political beliefs has also made him a rather boring and annoying figure off screen also.

Ever since he set up Tribeca and invested heavily he has been a lot more about the pay cheque then the quality of the roles.

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What I find most boring is people who complain about entertainers having political opinions and speaking out about it. Entertainment celebrities have every right, as citizens, and express their opinions, and since they're lucky enough to be famous, they get to be heard by a lot of other people. What I find incomprehensible is what you think any of this has to do with his acting. Why do you care about his off-screen activities anyway? Is he a serial killer or something?

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Of course in the US celebrities can express their opinions. Its their right. Its every American citizen right. What bothers me is their is much more weight for the opinions of famous people vs private citizens. Of course if someone is a reputable expert that's different. For example if Tom Steyer of NextGen talkeed about climate change vs Joe or Jane Blow talking on the same subject.
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The way I see it, Robert De Niro's opinion carries as much weight as you want to give it. He's heard more widely than non-famous because he's, well, more famous. That's just the way it goes. Is it fair? Fair to whom? I don't see it as any reason for him to keep his opinions to himself.

As for expertise, it's not the only determiner of credibility. If you watch cable news, there are no end of experts and political pundits, and they're almost all hacks who will speak within the boundaries of their political tribe -- no automatic credibility at all. Someone like Robert De Niro is at least as credible as any of those fools, and they're spouting their opinions on TV 7 days a week.

As for Tom Steyer, his expertise on climate change is no more than what Joe or Jane Blow might be able to achieve with a little interest and effort. Steyer is repeating, with some accuracy thankfully, what real experts in climate science have reached consensus on. But Steyer is not super famous like De Niro, so he wouldn't likely reach such a broad audience.

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He hasn't done anything more than phone it in since King of Comedy


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The Godfather II, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, Casino, someone said it already but I'll say it again , The Deer Hunter, Cape Fear and yes I know it was a remake, still counts. He was even good in Meet the Fockers.

The problem with your post is you don't have enough to back up your argument. There is more proof that shows he really was one of the greats than proof that he wasn't. He has many many outstanding films that show what a great actor he was. So I'm sorry but you should, actually you shouldn't try again because you failed so miserably this first time. So just sit down and stfu.

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Once Upon a Rime in America, American Hustle (he should've been in it more), New York New York, The King of Comedy (two underrated Scorsese movies), need I go on?

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I concur. Except with the part about your scrotum; I don't know what that looks like but deniro is definitely a bloated dbag.

Not very original, but 'We accept the love we think we deserve.' Brilliant.

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He was one of the greats.

After almost ten years of living in L.A., I'm firmly convinced that many actors lose their skills. Some people (i.e.: Jennifer Lawrence) lose it fairly early during their careers. Most lose it late in life.

Someone wrote that he has "been phoning it in since 'King of Comedy.'"
Nah, not even close. I would put it sometime around '95, after "Casino."

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