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Be Fruitful and Multiply ...


I thought it was a decent movie, a lot better than I thought it would be, but I can't get past what would naturally have to happen once the movie ended. I mean what are the options? Ham would have to go around impregnating all of his brothers daughters, and that's the best case scenario!

I find it odd how the movie didn't address this obvious dilemma at all. I mean, they could have at least brought a few women aboard to skirt the issue, but no. It's staring us in the face the whole time, and was made even more glaring when Noah tells his granddaughters to be fruitful and multiply. Um, with WHO noah?

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Well in the real story, they all had wives when they entered the ark. The movie failed on that part.

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Yeah I read up on it after posting my message and was surprised to see there were 4 wives, which could still get a little close for comfort, but at least there was some degree of separation!

So the writers of this movie went out of their way to make happily ever after that much more uncomfortable, and didn't address the elephant in the room the entire time. Lol I was actually half-expecting for some women to row up on a raft of their own.

I told a friend of mine about this who hadn't seen Noah and she came at me like I was the only one in the world perverted enough to be thinking that. I'm like, I live and breath don't I ?!

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Yeah I read up on it after posting my message and was surprised to see there were 4 wives, which could still get a little close for comfort, but at least there was some degree of separation!

Yeah, but what about the children of Adam and Eve?

And speaking of which, doesn't Eve being created from a rib make her some sort of clone (and even closer to Adam than a sibling)?


“Your head is on the block and you worry about your whiskers?”

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Yeah, but what about the children of Adam and Eve?

well if we are indulging these stories - there are clearly other people existing in the land of nod by the time cain is banished. sooo....

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there are clearly other people existing

Other "people" not descended from A&E?

“Your head is on the block and you worry about your whiskers?”

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correct.

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The book of Genesis is to give an account of creation, the fall of man, and the forgiveness of God by allowing redemption. It isn't too give an account of EVERY single birth and person born.

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The book of Genesis is to give an account of creation...It isn't too give an account of EVERY single birth and person born.

So, there are persons born who are NOT part of "creation"?

“Your head is on the block and you worry about your whiskers?”

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The creation story was just Adam and Eve. Not to give a biography of every single person who lived. That being said, back then writing a book was a huge deal, so it isn't like it is today with every single detail written down.

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The creation story was just Adam and Eve. Not to give a biography of every single person who lived.

Surely if there were people who lived before Adam and Eve, or others not of their lineage, that might have been of some slight interest, worthy of at least a brief account? No?

That being said, back then writing a book was a huge deal

Even for an omnipotent deity??? I guess being all-powerful was never what it used to be.

Besides, no one's asking for "every single detail", but for a tome that is never shy in begetting such a voluminous amount of trivial begats, one should at least expect the more noteworthy ones to make themselves present...

“Your head is on the block and you worry about your whiskers?”

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Hafeez: no there were no human beings before Adam and Eve. However after their mention other people come into account. The people after Adam and Eve are not given in a lineage. Writing a book is a small feat for God yes, but God uses man. That being said, yes it was a big deal for man to write this huge book. I can tell you from experience God only gives us what we need, not what we want. If something is left out, it's for out good. How many times as children did we claim out parents were forgetting things or not doing something proper, only to understand years later their logic. Now magnify that by a million times and you get the picture :).

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How many times as children did we claim out parents were forgetting things or not doing something proper, only to understand years later their logic. Now magnify that by a million times and you get the picture :).

Yet never once did they absent themselves, abandon us completely, and then leave us cryptic and conflicting messages regarding their intent and identity...messages still unclear and confusing during our entire lives. Now magnify that by a million times and you get the picture.

I can tell you from experience God only gives us what we need, not what we want

Really??? Then, even in your own terms, does not each and every person NEED salvation? Yet, according to most religious accounts, the vast majority (some say only a few thousands out of untold billions) of humanity are or will be condemned to an actual eternity of suffering and damnation, this suffering the result of the momentary and fleetingly ephemeral "bad" choices one may make.

Free will? Let's go back to the parent analogy. Unlike god, my parents were there...they did not hide and demand I have "faith" that they were somewhere to be found. They did not go away and send various emissaries, each claiming to be from my "true" parents, making me choose which, if any, were right.

Free will? God is all powerful, right? He could make himself known, without a doubt, to each and every one of us, if he so chose. He could make his message clear and we would still have the choice to accept or follow or not.

Instead, we are stuck with an awful gamble, one that is so heavily weighted against us, that we can do nothing but despair.

This is the "hope" that religion provides, this is the good news...

“Your head is on the block and you worry about your whiskers?”

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Please guys, we're not in 1150 anymore.

That book wasn't written as a historical record ffs. It's a book with symbols, to explain human's spiritual evolution, to explain how a person can evolve.

First we have 2 people, innocent and pure. They become intelligent and knowing, when the snake/backbone/Kundalini is awaken, and because of that they are unable to live in a higher conscience plan and therefore they fall to Malkuth.

Then we have descendants, one good and one bad. There was still hope, but the bad one kills the good one, and things start getting troublesome for Humanity.

You can pretty much say that Adam+Eve represented a thousand people, and Abel+Caim another thousand.

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Adam and eve recorded their story with all that paper they had lying around? Noah was out and about keeping captains diary with pen and paper?
Most of the stories you have in the bible today were probably not written until NT+ era

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SLTC you couldn't be more wrong... The old testament was quoted in the new testament. It had been recorded thousands of years before the New Testament.

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Sltk: Adam and Eve didn't write Genesis, Moses wrote the first five books of the old Testament. No they did not use paper. Papyrus was the chosen medium I believe back then, although I could be wrong, I'm not a historian.

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Have you actually read the Bible? Whether you believe it to be true or not is irrelevant. Adam and Eve were the first humans, and thus all humans were descended from them. There were no other humans in the Bible.

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So the writers of this movie went out of their way to make happily ever after that much more uncomfortable, and didn't address the elephant in the room the entire time.


As I said, bible has more than 1 situation where a small family "is" the only humans. Filmmakers here just took the liberty to use that on the movie.

In the original book, god is supreme, he'd never let a human make a choice as portrayed on the movie.

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Incest is not really considered such a bad thing in Christianity. Oral sex, however, is sodomy and that's really bad which is why real Christians never do oral sex. Some people claim to be Christian and do oral sex but that's like a serial killer claiming to be Christian.

People who actually read the Bible and follow its teachings closely tend to be into incest and pedophilia and stuff like that, but not homosexuality and oral sex. I think it's also okay in Christianity to have sex with animals, provided that they are of the opposite gender (not 100% sure about that, but pretty sure that sex with animals is at least better than eating shrimp or working on the Sabbath).

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Got your abrahamic religions mixed up there bud.

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Incest is not really considered such a bad thing in Christianity.
Say what? 

First of all, certain incestuous relationships are condemned in the Old Testament.
Leviticus 18

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.

13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
Now, these instructions may have been given specifically to the Jews, but it is largely supported by Christians who generally interpret incest as being as contrary to God's plan as homosexuality in accordance with Genesis 2:24: "That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.".

Oral sex, however, is sodomy and that's really bad which is why real Christians never do oral sex
Dude seriously, what are you talking about? Where in the bible does it say oral sex is "sodomy". In fact, find me the word "sodomy" in the bible at all. While you're at it, find any reference to "oral sex" if you can. Your position is not bionically supported, it is merely fundamentalist tradition. Oh, and Christians have oral sex all the time for your information.

Some people claim to be Christian and do oral sex but that's like a serial killer claiming to be Christian.
"Some people" are also stupid and ignorant, but that doesn't mean their claims should be believed, or that there is any biblical support to justify them! 

People who actually read the Bible and follow its teachings closely tend to be into incest and pedophilia
What evidence do you have to support this statement? I read the bible and follow its teachings, and I do not believe in incest or pedophilia. 

I think it's also okay in Christianity to have sex with animals
Well you're wrong!

Leviticus 18:23 Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

I believe in truth and justice, in the American way!

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I don't get how you don't get it.

The movie says that god wanted to wipe mankind, but decided to give Noah the choice of it. Noah would survive and choose who would too.

Noah chose to wipe mankind and save his family (egoism), which had no fertile woman. But his grandpa decided to do a miracle and make the girl fertile again.

Now Noah's plan was gone, he had a fertile - and pregnant - girl on the boat.

Paralel to that, one of his sons was against his idea, the guy wanted a woman to have sex and children, but the family lived isolated and there was no girl for him.

Now there are 2 girls available. ATM they of course are too young, but they will grow. He'll be much older than them, but whatever, much better.

Bible has more than 1 book portraying incest. There's a story where a man and his 2 dauthers believe they were the last 3 humans on earth. To perpetuate mankind, the girls make their father drunk and have sex with him so they get pregnant. Then, ops, they just didn't know the world far enough, but the sex already happened. And the book remained on the bible!

The same way, Adam and Eve were the only humans. They have children, some say it was only Abel and Caim and provide no explanation on who was Caim's children's mother. And there are books talking about Set, Lilith, another girl I don't remember the name, etc etc etc. But all of them were simblings, children of Adam and Eve.

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Frankly, I'm more interested in how we have so many herbivores on the planet, now. By the time the lions, tigers, leopards, panthers, cheetahs, pumas, jaguars, wolves, hyenas, polar bears and all the other carnivores got through the two of each herbivore in the few weeks following the ark's landing, how on earth were there any left?! 

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Well, FDR married his cousin. And incest in merry old England was common, even today though to what extent is not known. However, I think that the Great Flood happened in only part of the world that would have been called the "Known World" in those times, and therefore "everyone" who was killed in the Great Flood should have an asterisk next to it but they weren't invented till perhaps Gutenberg invented them when he invented the movable type cuz he said, "Watson! Come here! What should I put above the number 8 key?" And after a few martinis they invented the word asterisk which in their drunken state meant, 'aster' - for stars, and 'isk' - for everything else.

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