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An Atheist's Perspective


To be up front, Aronofsky is probably my favorite director. His movies always strike an intimate chord with me and never cease to leave me awe-struck, especially The Fountain. So I am slightly biased. I'm not saying this movie is perfect, I hated the way the villain was portrayed and the angels were a little cheesy, but I still think this movie is pretty incredible.

I should also say, I am an atheist, so the Noah story to me is nothing more than a children's story. I think the heart of this movie, which I attribute to Aronofsky, is intelligent and poignant. It sheds a unique light on God and the Christian faith, it brings to life an incredibly conflicted character.

I think this film received so much flak because A) It was marketed terribly, this is an Aronofsky film, not a CBN documentary, it should have been marketed appropriately. B) This film is not for the religious. God, Noah, and the Christian faith are made out to be psychopathic. It was as if Noah were afflicted with mental illness. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what Aronofsky was trying to say exactly with this story. Any thoughts on this?

And I don't think anyone can deny there were truly some beautiful sequences, that Creation montage still leaves me with my mouth open.

I just feel this film is a truly underrated work of art from a respected filmmaker. I'm interested in hearing other thoughts from people who can see this as a work of art and not a Biblical docudrama

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I'm a Theist (I believe in God) and am also the big fan of Aranofsky, who is also my favourite director, and Fountain is also my favourite film of his.
And I to believe that Noah is great. Not as good as The fountain or Requiem, but still very good movie.
I'm not strictly Catholic though, and I can see how this movie could be a bit offensive to them.

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I'm a Theist...

Don't worry, there is still hope for you.

After all, the first step is admitting you have a problem...

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I greatly enjoyed Aronofsky's Pi but this was just bad imo. Regardless of the bible it doesn't even hold up the its graphic novel predecessor.

There was some creative movie making like that creation scene (which although innovative and cool it didn't really seem to fit into the rest of the movie all that well) and the angels falling to earth (and their birth from the lava). I thought it was incredibly lacking in the acting department which surprised me considering the big names. Anthony Hopkins was enjoyable but the rest were hard to even take seriously.

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I thought it was incredibly lacking in the acting department

The moment I see someone post a comment like this, I know they have issues which have nothing to do with the acting, and are just looking for a reason to gripe. You confirmed it in the other thread, where you made several obviously and laughably false claims. You're just another disgruntled religionist annoying this isn't yet another milk toast dry and dull bible lesson.


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I read his comic book before so I wasn't expecting a "biblically accurate story" and I don't base my view on that fact. Even comparing it to the graphic novel it didn't hold up well. Like I said Anthony Hopkins was great but the others not so much.

You're just another disgruntled religionist annoying this isn't yet another milk toast dry and dull bible lesson.


There is really no reason to make claims like this. If you want to play that game: You seem like a disgruntled atheist who will bash anyone who doesn't like this film for any particular reason.

Regardless of comparing it to the Bible I thought it was bad. Even just comparing it to the Graphic novel.

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Regardless of comparing it to the Bible I thought it was bad. Even just comparing it to the Graphic novel.

Why compare it to anything else? A movie is neither scripture nor graphic novel; those that attempt to mimic such usually fail on all accounts.

By the way, compared to other people on this board, I thought your posts were bad. Even just comparing it to the posts of other trolls...

“Your head is on the block and you worry about your whiskers?”

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You seem like a disgruntled atheist who will bash anyone who doesn't like this film for any particular reason.

Whatevs. The reason you come off like you do is that your "opinion" is backed by nothing more that a bald claim. You have no measured critique of the film. You're just making empty gripes.

I disagree, not because of any religious views, but because of my evaluation of the film itself. Crowe was brilliant, as always...stoic, raw-nerved, terrifying in his madness and heart-tugging in his regret. Winstone was excellent as well, using both understatement and sheer power of presence to make his depiction of evil both human and threatening. Connolly mirrored Crowe's tower of strength but lent it a woman's softening influence. And, despite the tendency to leap on her as an effective freshman, Watson had exactly the right quality of innocence mixed with helpless yet stoic resistance.

I thought it was bad

I didn't think it the best film I'd ever seen, but your over-the-top hyperbole defeats itself.


Religion is like a rocking chair -- a lot of work to get nowhere.

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very insightful

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Man, I love Aronofsky as well and I too am an atheist.

I've been wondering about this movie for a little bit and never gave it a watch.

After some positive reviews - I will be watching it tonight!

The 5.6 threw me off.

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You definitely should! Be sure to post your thoughts!

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The creation scene was indeed incredible. It was a slap on any religious' face to show the creationism story portrayed as a quick and simplified explanation of evolution, as if religious people were not intelligent enough to understand it and needed a child's story instead.

I think indeed that filmmakers wanted to show religion on a more intelligent POV, without breaking religiosity.

The story still shows god and the creator, and powerful enough to destroy all life he created, and the flood was real. But! god didn't wanna wipe everything, and also didn't wanna choose who would live or die. He then chose Noah to make that choice, Noah would make the arch and god would send him the animals to live, and Noah would choose which humans would survive and if mankind would go on or extinguish.

Then we're shown the character with his conflicts.

The movie also takes agnostic and christian catholic-heretic stories into account, as the cult of Set, the book of Emoch, etc. Just for talking about these facts, which are delicate for ICAR (catholic church, which made war and wiped these people and their books), it's clear to me that filmmakers wanted to make a movie based on a religious story but not aiming on the religious people, instead they wanted to slap these people on the face.

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I should also say, I am an atheist, so the Noah story to me is nothing more than a children's story. I think the heart of this movie, which I attribute to Aronofsky, is intelligent and poignant. It sheds a unique light on God and the Christian faith, it brings to life an incredibly conflicted character.
It does no such thing! First of all, this is NOT the story of Noah. This is the story of a character created by Darren Aronofsky named "Noah". It is based on a biblical character, but clearly not the same character as many elements of the story are not biblical. The fact that Darren Aronofsky, a non-Christian created a character that differs drastically from the biblical Noah means that this work is no way an expression of Christianity, but rather an expression of Darren Aronofsky.

I think this film received so much flak because A) It was marketed terribly, this is an Aronofsky film, not a CBN documentary, it should have been marketed appropriately. B) This film is not for the religious.
RIDICULOUS! The film was marketed as a religious film! Calling the film Noah, and basing it off biblical characters makes it a marketing ploy to target bible readers. If the film was intended to be a purely atheist film, then he shouldn't have called the film Noah, or named the rest of the characters after people from that story. Aronofsky could have told exactly the same story as a pure fantasy film with no connection to the bible story (except in allegorical terms) by simply changing the names of the characters. But he didn't! He wanted it to be a story about the bible characters. HE is the one who made it a "religious" film, and HE is the who who targeted Christianity (really Judaism since is a Jewish story) by doing so. There is no other way the film could have been marketed OTHER than as a religious film based on how it was written. And since it pretty much makes a mockery of the largest demographic of believers (Christians and Jews), it is no surprise that it would have been received badly by that demographic. But the film actually received good reviews and opened to a strong box office. So it wasn't a complete failure and there was a market for it.

God, Noah, and the Christian faith are made out to be psychopathic. It was as if Noah were afflicted with mental illness. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what Aronofsky was trying to say exactly with this story. Any thoughts on this?
You just summed up the specific failures of the film. Despite the fact that many other folks like it, I personally thought the film was terrible for those exact reasons. There was no "hero" character, and thus no point to the story. There is no evidence that God existed at all in the film. He is not seen, heard, or even mentioned or referenced by name. There is a character called "The Creator" which for all we know was merely a figment of Noah's imagination. The only indication we get in the film that this creator might actually exist is the confirmation of the Rock Monsters. So I'm automatically of the perspective that God doesn't actually exist in this film, and that Noah is simply crazy and suffering from a psychotic delusion. Noah was actually the main villain of the film, not Tubal-cain, who was only a secondary villain. In fact, if anything Tubal-cain was the heroic character because as his actions seemed justified to save humanity (though his methods were cold and brutal), as opposed to Noah who seemed intent on ensuring the destruction of humanity. Moreover, Noah's actions in the film made no sense. If he truly believed that all of humanity needed to be destroyed (including his own family), then why would he bother saving them from the flood and the murderous Tubal-cain, by putting them aboard the ark in the first place? All he needed to do was save the animals and let everyone else die. So his actions in the film are not even consistent with his supposed motivation. You asked what Aronofsky was trying to say? He was trying to say that the bible story of Noah (or at least his interpretation of it) is inconsistent, poorly conceived, and ultimately stupid, because that's exactly what he chose to write and film. As you said, he created a bunch of psychopathic characters that a typical audience would not be able to identify with. There was nothing "enjoyable" about the film (perhaps other than cinematography) whether you are atheist or Christian because there was nobody in the film to root for. Thus, it had no point! The only reason to enjoy this film would be either from a technical standpoint, or because you enjoyed the mockery of the religion.

And I don't think anyone can deny there were truly some beautiful sequences, that Creation montage still leaves me with my mouth open.
But scenes of great cinematography, and even a strong leading man (Russell Crowe) cannot save a poorly written, ill-conceived script, with poorly developed characters and major plot holes.

I just feel this film is a truly underrated work of art from a respected filmmaker.
I think you respect the filmmaker, and because of that you are desperately trying to view this film as an "underrated work of art". But the fact that you can't even decipher what the writer/director was trying to accomplish with it proves that it was not. A good film would have actually accomplished that goal.

I'm interested in hearing other thoughts from people who can see this as a work of art and not a Biblical docudrama
The problem is NOBODY sees it that way (not even you), because it IS a Biblical docudrama!

Noah is a 2014 American biblical epic film co-written and directed by Darren Aronofsky, written by Ari Handel, and inspired by the story of Noah's Ark from the Book of Genesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_(2014_film)
You just stated that the film "sheds a unique light on God and the Christian faith". That means that YOU view it as a biblical docudrama because only that type of work would give you that perspective. The Christian God is based on the bible! So if this was not a biblical docudrama, then it would have no capacity to shed any light on the Christian God.

But even putting all of that aside, looking at the film as a pure fantasy, with no ties to the bible or Christianity at all, it still fails for the reasons I previously mentioned. There are no sympathetic characters in the film other than the victims. It's a dark depressing, hopeless film driven by psychopathic characters. Lord of the Rings had Sauron, Sarumon, Wraiths, orcs, and dragons. But it also had Frodo, Gandalf, Aragorn, and many other heroic characters that give the audience characters they can root for. And they serve to provide a sense of hope in a story with numerous dismal elements in it. Noah has no such thing going for it, so it doesn't even work as a good fantasy film.

At least in Ridley Scott's Exodus God's and Kings, the Moses character portrayed by Christian Bale is at least someone the audience can partially connect with, despite also being a character that wasn't fully developed. While also being portrayed as a "mentally disturbed" character suffering delusions of God in an otherwise Godless film written by an atheist, he at least is portrayed as a heroic, sympathetic character who has the ability to reason with the "evil" God character (who is really just his own imagination). He also has the ability to reason with the main villain of the film (Ramesses), which means he's a reasonable and heroic character that the audience can identify with. That film still failed because it was presented as a biblical docudrama that mocks religion. But at least it had some interesting aspects to it, such as retelling the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt as a literal account but from the perspective of an atheist, with no supernatural elements.


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The only problem with the movie is that it tries to pretend that it's real. If you look at it as pure fiction, it's an entertaining story. Just like Harry Potter and Superman. But it also makes you understand why religious people are so screwed up, being told that all this is something that 'really happened'. Let's face it, this is no more likely to be true than what goes on in a road runner cartoon.

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