There's no god!

I ask you proof for non-existence of god, a proof which would wholly convince you . (my emphasis)

But this is new, since only proof for the non-existence of God was asked for. But even this next demand, it may be noted, is not the same as asking for conclusive proof. If you know what a soft atheist is - and I am one - you will know why this particularly matters. But if now you are asking for something on my own account, then (and I know this applies to a lot of atheists), I find the evidence from absence good enough to indicate a level of proof, especially when the absence of evidence (outside of the claims of scripture and personal credulity) has been so sustained over so long a period of time. In propositional logic this is known as a modus tollens argument. Before you object as expected, per the traditional aphorism, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", let me say that positive evidence of this kind is distinct from a lack of evidence or ignorance of that which should have been found already, had it existed. In this regard Irving Copi writes:

In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence.

— Copi, Introduction to Logic (1953) , p. 95

But in the light of the previous demand it appears the goal posts have shifted somewhat. First, just proof was asked for. Now, it seems it has to be 'personally convincing' from this end. If it was not personally convincing to a degree at least, rather than conclusive, why would I bother with posting something trivial? You need to define what exactly the level of proof it is you ask for and then stick with it. This is why I was asking for clarification up front.

to be certain that something doesn't exist, one has to know EVERYTHING there is, so he can say - that particular thing doesn't exist, fo shizzle ma nizzle. And EVERYTHING is infinite.

This is not true of everything - as with the example my aforementioned bag of toffees, when I can quickly and obviously show it empty, while 'my toffees' need not be searched for throughout eternity. It is also quite reasonable to say obviously that, in the case of supposed or mythical things, by definition the impossible cannot exist. The question then is whether the specific case of the deliberate supernatural is impossible. One proof of this is that, as you helpfully admit above, contradictory things are said about it - notably, even by those who ought to know best. Now a thing which is massively contradictory in and of itself can be taken as impossible by definition. So that would be more proof.

Ultimately, what we are considering is the likelihood of something self-contradictory and which lacks empirical evidence - and, come to that which cannot even easily be defined or agreed on in specifics more widely by those who have their preferred, named candidates. Most would reasonably agree that the greater and more profound the evidence against something, the more likely it is we can take such mounting negativism as proof.

Meanwhile, I still do not know what proof believers will accept to falsify their gods, which they reasonably ought to know as, well, they should be able to recognise it when given. So perhaps you can tell me now? This in itself is further evidence when (as is normally the case) no answer to this request is forthcoming. For if one thinks the existence of something, such as a supernatural entity is fact since presumably proven as a verifiable positive, then it would be reasonable to think that at least in theory ways of disproving the evidence can be thought of. That nothing is typically forthcoming, apart from the claims of faith, is significant. But I suppose no one talks of faith when there is evidence.

And EVERYTHING is infinite

But here you undermine your own methodology since, by the yardstick you have just enounced, to be certain that 'everything' in infinite, one would have to know EVERYTHING there is lol. Which one can't. See how this works?



You are really mentally ill!
You _must_ be homosexual. Melanie000

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