Why the title?


Unless I missed something, she was never referred to as 'American Mary', only 'Bloody Mary', or 'Doctor Mary'; nor do I remember it mentioning that she was an American as opposed to Canadian.

This bugs me more than it should . . .

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Yep. I kept expecting someone to call her that but it never came. I'm assuming the actress is Canadian from what you said, though I don't suppose that means much.
Seems like the title of a movie should be better thought out, perhaps they were going to call it Bloody Mary then changed their minds due to other films sharing the title?

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I see the title as indicating that Mary is living the American Dream.

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I saw the title as referencing American Psycho.

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me too

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Yeah, i thought that too, but this movie is crap in comparison to BaleĀ“s film.

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Oh my god!!! Of course!!! Thank-you. I did not get the pun/play on words at all - but I think you're spot on.

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Oh wow, I never thought about it like that. Referencing American Psycho...that's a good catch and makes sense.

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We have a winner.

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The movie takes place in Seattle, but her clients all come from the Vancouver area. They say on two occasions how popular she is in Canada and how she has a following and the nickname "Bloody Mary."

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Canada is also part of America... North America to be precise.
The country to the south of Canada is 'The United States OF America'.

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Canada is also part of America... North America to be precise.
The country to the south of Canada is 'The United States OF America'.


North America is a continent. America is a country. Canada is not part of America. Dumbass!

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Well, the person is technically correct. But also, anyone in North OR South America could be referred to as American. But generally we refer to specific nationalities.

"America isn't ready for a gay, mexican chicken sandwich" - Poultrygeist

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Y'know, I was going to disagree until the word "European" popped into my head.

I even had a VERY lengthy post all set and ready to zap off schooling fluffy, up there. Then I realized that there was no point, as I don't make my living as a teacher and I have nothing but sympathy for fluffy's geography teacher, who justifiably, probably had a rubber "F" stamp made up to make it easier to mark fluffy's Each. And. Every. Paper.

Oh, and fluffy? That red squiggly line under a word means that it is spelled incorrectly. Now I'm not the grammar police, as I am SO far from perfect... seriously. However, when the software TELLS you that you made a mistake and you are too lazy to correct it... well, it speaks volumes about you character. Or lack thereof.

Have a day, dude. Or whatever...

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Well, the person is technically correct. But also, anyone in North OR South America could be referred to as American.

Nationality is determined from the name of one's country of birth citizenship, not continent. Only citizens of The United States of America are correctly referred to as Americans. A person born with citizenship of Canada is a Canadian by nationality, or a North American by continental status. All countries have an official name from which its citizens derive their nationality.

Most people of the world don't refer to themselves by continent except in reference to pacts of international concern. Any Canadian or Costa Rican who refers to themselves as American is trying to pass as an American national.

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North America is a continent. America is a country. Canada is not part of America. Dumbass!


Ok, before you start calling people dumbass, you should look at a map. There is nothing more annoying that a person who has their facts 100% wrong going off and acting like a jerk about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

America is not a country. America is the name of the lands in the Western Hemisphere. Hence, North America and South America. The country that you are probably thinking of is called the United States of America. The word OF is pretty critical there.

North America is a continent. Congratulations, you got something right. You should have stopped there. Dumbass.

America is NOT a country. America is North America AND South America.
Canada IS part of America. It is part of North America.

The USA is the United States OF America. As in PART OF America.

Please pay attention in school.

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There is no continent of America. There are separate geographical divisions that are collectively referred to as the Americas - North, Central and South. There is only one national entity in the Americas that has "America" prominently in its name, and therefore uses the national demonym "American" as an adjectival identifier. "America" is universally accepted as an abbreviated form of "The United States of America". End of story. And as for our citizens, we are not called Unitites, United Staters, or United States of Americans. We are known worldwide, politically, nationally and culturally as "Americans". We get the base name. It's ours. "American soil" refers to lands within our borders and under our embassies. Dirt from Saskatoon or the Atacama desert is not "American soil".

There have been proposals to silence the literalists: words like "Usanian" or "Usonian". But they have never stuck.

This is so similar to the argument that people try to make when they claim that Great Britain is ONLY the single island that consists of Wales, Scotland and England. And then they demand that those calling the UK "Great Britain" or "Britain" are completely wrong. People would sound like pompous twags if they went around having to say "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" to be understood. So they abbreviated things. And the same demonym principle holds here. There are geographical distinctions and political ones. There are long-winded names and truncated ones. United States of America = USA = America => American :: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland = UK = Great Britain = Britain => British.

When "America" or "American" are used in contexts outside of describing the USA, its citizen and their ways, the words have to be modified. The Organization of American States is actually a group of countries not only spanning North, Central and South American, but also the Caribbean. There is Latin America, etc. We have to qualify these differences. And they must be learned.

Only people who want to argue semantics will try to demand that a single word primarily describes all landmasses in the Western Hemisphere or the British Isles because they like to be absurdly pedantic. Or they are attempting to negate or erase national, political, cultural, ethnic or racial distinctions for some reason.

Canada is NOT part of America. Go to Canada and start calling it "America" and the people there "Americans", see how they react. Canada is part of the Americas - the North one. It is part of Organization of American States which is a completely distinct entity from the United States of America - of which Canada is NOT a part. This stuff is not all that hard to accept.

As for this movie, I wrote a lengthy diatribe - that is now lost in a board purge - against its title's usage of the "American" moniker. I found it entirely disingenuous that the Canadian filmmakers had to glum onto this national distinction in order to evoke an ill-conceived pathos. There was nothing truly American about Mary's identity, actions or plight. And I surmised that calling the film Canadian Mary would have had far less marketing value or emotional impact. Sadly, the social criticisms conveyed in the film did not equate with traits known to be exclusively exhibited or associated with the United States of America or any number of its citizens.

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This argument has always bugged me. All around the world, when someone refers to an "American," people are going to assume they're talking about someone from the USA. Has the following conversation ever taken place in Canada, Thailand, Indonesia, Pakistan, Australia, Uzbekistan, Greenland or Norway?

Bobby from Nebraska: Hi there! We're here on vacation. Can you recommend a restaurant?

Native of one of the aforementioned countries: Where you from?

Bobby: We're American!

Native: (Confused) What you mean? You from Costa Rica?

Bobby: No, we are American. Can you recommend a restaurant?

Native: Still no get. You from Brazil? Canada? Honduras? American Samoa?

Bobby: Mmm . . Nebraska?

Native: Ohhhh . . you from America. Now I get! McDonalds two blocks that way.


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I live in England, and no one here or anywhere else refers to Canadians as Americans.

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I was confused too seeing as KI is Canadian, she is referred to as Bloody Mary and America is never really mentioned except for the plans for the LA road trip.

It's a disappointing title as well because so much effort has gone into making the film different and 'out-there' and then they use a title that's reminiscent of a million other films.

I see another person said that they thought it referred to American Psycho and that is something that never occurred to me but sounds like it could be right. Unfortunately it also backs up that no effort at all went into the title.

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I understood it as a homage to Queen Mary Tudor who was also called 'Bloody Mary'. Mary in the movie is like the American version of her, hence American Mary.

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i think it might have a symbolic meaning.

this is a film about torture. America began torturing prisoners of war in 2001, turning its back on it's own most deeply held values.

look at how the CIA hired Doctors to participate in it's torture programs of prisoners. The doctors 'quit medical school' in a sense to go participate in a crusade of Vengeance against the evil doers.


note that she tells the doctor she is doing 'voluntary amputation', but she cuts off his limbs. this can be seen as a commentary about the 'language games' the government has played with torture since 9/11. The CIA doesnt even call it torture, they call it 'enhanced interrogation'. Mary calls it 'body modification' and 'voluntary amputation', though its really torture and horrific mutilation.

and, like in real life, there are people who tell the torturers never to "devalue" what they do, because, hey, they are only hurting the bad people.

Mary, though, still has a conscience... we can see it in Katharine's face as the story progresses... she begins to become lost, lost to herself... conflicted and confused.


Mary represents us. She is America in the 21st century. Lost and confused about what we have done in our revenge.

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If ever there was a film that didn't warrant deep analysis, this was it.

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I personally think they just couldn't come up with a better name... It's rather lame.

But awesome movie, though.

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