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what a delicate pile of crap. (spoilers)

posted 11 years ago by iasimkhovich
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even though i'm an american, i can totally dig what this film tried to do. i've seen a good assortment of nordic films and i GET it; it's just that it's derivative and lame. a lot of people would have seen it as a smart, slick, intriguing, sinister plot done in a "cool" way but the problem is that you might not know how to savor this ethnic dish.

1. dirty guys with cell phones and suits who seem to be into some sort of plot.
2. approach nice suburbia and poke at it; it pushes away
3. infiltrate "nice" established family
4. break it apart

so far... nothing original, no genius, and um... poorly TYPICAL fare to tickle/irritate traditional value systems. oh and uh *coughs* funny games *coughs*

5. a sort of "cult" emerges, revealed by women who can be called upon to assist in murder and body disposal as.

wow. this guy has some women he commands. let me relish it... oh well, they're all just dull, depressed and mostly mute so that wasn't too great.

6. poisonings.

in america, poisonings don't really scare us. we don't feel "fragile" enough to be potentially poisoned out of nowhere but how does sweden react to the "horror"? who knows (look, i arbitrarily picked sweden because that's who i expect to want to see it. i could have picked denmark or finland.)

7. wrap it up

wow... they had something going all along. that was insidious and um... ok. file out of theater and go home to enjoy the IKEA furniture and some weird cabbage or fish or something.

the "strengths" are incompatible with western civilization. you taste that sometimes in foreign films but most people aren't familiar with the flavor of nord. it's homely and sweet so this film is "weak" by our standards.

[–] roell29 11 years ago

You insist that you "get it" but I don't see any sign of that in your post.
And I have no idea what you're talking about with IKEA and Swedes and all that lol (the film is Dutch, by the way). Guess we are on entirely different wavelengths.

Leave the gun, take the cannoli...

[–] iasimkhovich 11 years ago

same difference if it was dutch. i meant that it works to fulfill the needs of the value systems of those people. i didn't get into the domestic violence aspect but that's another big deal in their cinema. relationships mean a LOT more than usual, etc. i COULD offer more references in danish, icelandic or finnish cinema...

[–] Uberlim 11 years ago

those people.

in their cinema

maybe u'r gonna keep ur references stucked up your arse forever, maybe not, best of luck.

[–] iasimkhovich 11 years ago

wow. you see my recognition of standard sensibilities as an offense. maybe you haven't noticed that the french love anti-social violence, the germans love gore, etc. it's just something you pick up on. at least here i was noticing that "those people" are moved by certain elements "in their cinema" due to their ethnic value systems and sensibilities.

i don't know british for "chill" but i can always appreciate a gimpy, pompous insult.

[–] Uberlim 11 years ago

man u such a racist, i'm racistier than u. let's not fight, keep the warrior spirit alive bro. british for "chill" is most of their time (by hat i meant weather)<<;

[–] iasimkhovich 11 years ago

i'm really confused but i think my next move is to claim that i have an affinity for corned beef hash; it's even good from the microwave.

[–] Uberlim 11 years ago

yea bro u tots right, we shd stop nest-spam the board, , too much of it goin' on as it is;)

edit : also this movie doesn't sux, it's weird, challenging, tought-provoking, a cry for help maybe. at least it's how i saw it (wasn't crying for help, but listenin').

did i mention i was veggetarian?

[–] stanfieldUK81 11 years ago

Is your shift key broken?

[–] all-the-rest-is-treason 11 years ago

I don't understand what you're saying. It's like half of the conversation is inside your head or something. Loved the movie. But then again I'm a homely Nord... Jokes aside I thought the themes were fairly universal? Good, evil, guilt, innocence, love, hate, life, death. The search for meaning in an often confusing and scary world.

[–] iasimkhovich 11 years ago

obviously you missed my point but i'll try again. the french like films that push the envelope in terms of sociology and sometimes it's silly and other times it can be shockingly violent but it's almost totally as wacky as "the simpsons" when it tries to be. for nordic films i see something else that works along the lines of: 1. stable home life 2. stable relationships 3. feeling comfortable at home, sheltered in a nice place from the rest of the world and 4. people might invade and threaten all-around stability.

does that help?

i've tasted it in multiple films.

try "bleeder". same thing but from its desperate urge for a stable hold it "pokes" out in horrible ways.

i don't appreciate your assessment that i'm schizo. you should have asked me nicely to elaborate because that's we're here for as amateur film appreciators, perhaps far more insightful and intelligent than pros.

[–] oxes 11 years ago

I couldn't get past the "even though i'm an american [...]"

This guy is talking about fascist vaginas.

[–] iasimkhovich 11 years ago

did you actually watch this baby movie? stop replying to me and reminding me of it. also, i don't think america is fascist vagina. it's more like global oligarch socialist. fascism is symbolized by a *beep* of sticks/rods. is calling us vaginas suggesting that we are desperate or somehow pandering? we don't pander; we dictate. you choose THIS weak @#$ movie from sheltered nords to diss america? you should get flagged for trolling. at least i added to my original statement about the sentiment of the FILM we are discussing on imdb.

[–] Dali-Fan 10 years ago

Seek psychiatric help, man. You're in dire need of it.

[–] StaunchWoman 10 years ago

Why is it you feel this film is weak?

And let's stay on the topic of this particular film. Forget where it came from, and what stereotypes are associated with which countries....

We've met before, haven't we?

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[–] cheekyfilm 10 years ago

I wish I could nuke this thread from orbit

[–] rudykawa 10 years ago

Racism and prejudice, everywhere.

[–] oocpaka 10 years ago

It is indeed, this movie made no sense