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"Stupidity"

posted 10 years ago by Targetrich
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I had, if not 'high' hopes, hopes for this movie. Chills, suspense, haunting, that kind of thing.

What I didn't want, or need, to see was another film where families and otherwise nice people are disposed of in horrible ways, with that excuse that it's a 'serial killer' at large, and a man, a father, putting his family at risk because of his ego. Lots of murders, lots of evidence of murders, lots to lose, so what does he do?

Why are we all prepared to suspend not just our disbelief but also out 'banging head against the wall' common sense just so we can indirectly feel a threat to ourselves and our families?

For my money it's weak writing and lacks imagination and creativity.

I'm still waiting for the next good horror movie.

[–] king_of_bob 10 years ago

What I didn't want, or need, to see was another film where families and otherwise nice people are disposed of in horrible ways, with that excuse that it's a 'serial killer' at large, and a man, a father, putting his family at risk because of his ego. Lots of murders, lots of evidence of murders, lots to lose, so what does he do?

Your first paragraph doesn't seem to gel with this one. You knew you were going into a horror movie, but you didn't expect to see any of the common tropes of the genre?

Why are we all prepared to suspend not just our disbelief but also out 'banging head against the wall' common sense just so we can indirectly feel a threat to ourselves and our families?

I don't know what world you live in, but when I find myself looking around, I don't see a lot of common sense being exercised on a daily basis. Especially when a persons ego is on the line.

Not to mention, common sense would suggest that the supernatural isn't real. I imagine I would have a hard time accepting what was happening myself.

I'm still waiting for the next good horror movie.

I'm curious to know what you believe the last good horror movie to be.

You offer no real criticism of the movie. You just make vague statements that could be applied to many different movies. But the vagary lacks substance, and thus there's no criticism to be had.

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[–] Targetrich 9 years ago

Sigh.

Well, I suppose you feel superior, so that's nice for you.

[–] king_of_bob 9 years ago

Superior to you? Sure, but that doesn't seem to mean much since you couldn't even defend your own position.

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[–] Targetrich 9 years ago

Drawing a distinction if I may between an inability to defend my position, and not wasting my time on responding to a post authored by someone who doesn't understand basic principles of the horror genre and film making

This was an example of the latter.

[–] king_of_bob 9 years ago

No, that isn't the case at all. If anything, you're the one who doesn't understand film making or horror. Evidenced by your OP. Your inability to defend your point is also obvious from your refusal to even address a single thing I said. You couldn't even tell me what you believed to be the last good horror movie.

Also, you are responding to my posts. You're just not addressing a single thing I said. The fact that you've replied twice, yet utterly refused to even answer the most basic question, as mentioned above, only suggests that you're fully aware of the weakness of your argument.

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[–] Targetrich 9 years ago

It is because you tire me.

[–] Targetrich 9 years ago

You identify 'the common tropes of this genre'.

How many of those tropes re shared by The Exorcist?

[–] king_of_bob 9 years ago

You identify 'the common tropes of this genre'.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HorrorTropes

How many of those tropes re shared by The Exorcist?

Very few. You would have been better served by bringing up The Evil Dead. This comparison only furthers the idea that you don't know what you're talking about.

Funny how I supposedly tire you, yet you took the time to write yet another reply to me. 6 days after you claimed "It is because you tire me" with regards to why you couldn't be bothered to rebut any of my points.

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[–] Targetrich 9 years ago

I think I can speak for us all when I say how indebted we are to 'tvtropes' for providing the definitive list of 'tropes'.

In your earlier post you identified the 'common tropes of this genre'. Did you mean 'some of the tropes from a website I've found'?

Which is why 'very few' are shared by The Exorcist, and a wealth of films intended to scare instead of 'gross-out'.

The point being that you're an idiot who is unable to see how easily you've been drawn out and made to look dull.

And I was bored, if that helps.

[–] saino2001 9 years ago

I agree with Targetrich 100%. This move was FAR MORE creepy & disturbing than it was "Sinister." The evil "Mr. Boogie" doesn't make sense. He incites otherwise normal kids to commit horrible acts of violence against their family members for no real reason other than that they live in a particular house? That's just WEAK WRITING, and far more "stupid" than it was in any ways "sinister."

[–] king_of_bob 9 years ago

The evil "Mr. Boogie" doesn't make sense. He incites otherwise normal kids to commit horrible acts of violence against their family members for no real reason other than that they live in a particular house?

No, that isn't why. It's very clearly explained in the movie that Burgal feeds on the childrens souls. It uses the kids to kill their families because he derives pleasure from the suffering of mortals.

I'm curious what you would consider "sinister." The word means "giving the impression of something evil or harmful is happening or will happen" and I would say Bughuul is causing harm and is definitely evil.

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[–] gasmaskproductionsbooks 9 years ago

Sure, it has its flaws and it isn't the best film in the world - but at least it tried to bring in the originality of super 8 films into its story. I mean, look at other films in its genre lately, like Paranormal Activity and Chernobyl Diaries. The same cheap digital footage made on a wobbly camcorder with characters nobody cares about and an easily predictable script. Sinister isn't perfect but it tried to bring something new to the horror genre and you can't fault it for that. It's not so much about horror, it's about obsession. The main character sees something that he just can't get out of his mind, and he has a self-absorbed vision of his "big famous writing career" coming back to him. He sees films that he should report to the cops, but he decides to put the lives of the victims aside, the lives of his own family, all for his future book. When he finally realizes that he's gone too far and uncovered something sinister, it's too late to get out of it all. I found this very interesting; without the demonic boogeyman stuff and the ghostly kids, it's a psychological thriller. The way the super 8 home movies warp the nostalgia of perfect Kodak moments is also something totally new. The only other film I can think of that comes close to that kind of thing is 'One-Hour Photo'. I'm not trying to change your opinion, I'm just stating mine.

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