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Only after you die, can you become a Zombie. You don't turn while alive

posted 10 years ago by kingstelious
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They shouldn't have used the word Zombie. the idea that the people become zombies over time and slowly go from human to zombie is just stupid. They only way to become a zombie is to die first, once you die that is it, everything that you were is gone. With some possible instinctual habits still laying dormant, but your personality, memories and thought are gone, dead. THEN you rise again, you are now a zombie, you are no more than an animal going off instinct hungry for flesh, mindlessly wandering.

I find this movie an insult to all Zombie movies. The way her eyes slowly turned white and her skin decayed was just stupid. Decay would only occur after you're dead.

Should have called it something like the Cordyceps Brain Infection from Last of Us, movie would have made more sense then

[–] jjett123 10 years ago

a zombie can be anything the writer of the movie/tv show wants it to be. purists of any type need to relax and keep an open mind.

[–] kingstelious 10 years ago

No they can't make a Zombie whatever they want it to be because people will just not watch their crap. There is a reason films are put into genre's you know. It's so people know what to expect. Stuff like this just pisses people off, so good luck to the writers, nobody will watch their nonsense

[–] jjett123 10 years ago

yes, they can and they have been doing that in movies for decades. the sooner you unclench and be open minded you are just going to continue to be keep being miserable. lol.

[–] kingstelious 10 years ago

Actually I am generally pleased with the movies I watch ranging from Mysterious Skin to Despicable Me. Nothing to do with being open minded, it was just a very *beep* film and the acting was atrocious.

I don't know why you have such a boner for this film that you can't accept somebody don't like it. A man that has seen every film starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and over 100 zombie movies... I think I got a better frame of reference than a guy that fancies Abigail Breslin :-)

[–] jjett123 10 years ago

LOL. i really don't care if you hated or loved the movie. it's just hilarious to me how close minded people like you are. you act like zombies are real and there's ONLY one way to do things. that right there is pure comedy.

[–] safira-1 10 years ago

Haha, so true.

Acting like zombification is some sort of proven science is just hilarious.

[–] fejsbukmejl1 10 years ago

exactly haha

[–] LosGanjales 9 years ago

she has some kind of sickness. and a zombie used to be a dead person that came back to life.

in almost every zombie movie you have the point a person gets infected, dies and comes back to life. in 28 days later there are no zombies as well, just infected people.

so i'm with the op, they either used the term zombie to put it in this genre, or they just don't know what a zombie is as well.

zombie = undead
in this case = virus infected person

[–] elpequenelson 9 years ago

L.O. *beep* L. !

First of all: in the movie, the people are dying slowly. If zombies are undead, is logic that they became zombies as they are dying if the writer wants to. One precedent is The walking dead: in the first season one man without family is bitten and he decided he wants to die. While he is agonizing in fever, he has nightmares-like flashes of zombies, like he feels the infection taking him or something.

Second: If Zombie = undead, then Vampire = Zombie.

Do you and the OP are correct? Because they're not real (actually zombies are -READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH) and as someone said, the writer can write about them however they want and that has been like that since Night of the living dead and before.

In one movie they run, in another they don't. In one movie they are able to use tools (in Night of the living dead one of them takes a rock and tries to breake a window) and in most of films they haven't enough intellect for that. But in Life after Beth she is an undead and keep his intellect... Etc., there are thousands of examples.

Finally, zombie isn't strictly undead. Do you know zombies are real? At least the concept of zombies came from real life: although stories about the undead with different names as ghules, vampires and anothers have been written and spoken since the dawn of civilizations, the contemporary concept of zombies begins with the vodoo magic in Haiti which become people into undead slaves. Actually, is the use of drugs to make people look like they are dead (XIX century didn't had tools we have today to confirm a certain death), and after the sepulture, in the night, they where taken out of the coffin and woken up, but they were never conscious because they constantly received another drug that makes them do wathever someone tells them to do. This is why zombies are "undead" but the main concept was the lack of intellect, doing wathever the master said. Actually one of the first zombie films -maybe the first one- was White zombie which features alive zombies. The undead thing came later and stays but doesn't mean that no one can play with these concepts as the first writers of the genre did.

[–] theboxingcannabyte 10 years ago

I don't know why you have such a boner for this film that you can't accept somebody don't like it.

Actually you're the one with the "boner" about this film. See you have directly said that "no one will watch this" and "no one will like it" By "no one" you mean "me." Of course, so....There's that bit of hypocrisy, not that I expected you to catch it.

[–] bart-229 10 years ago

So, watching over 100 zombie movies makes you expert on something that doesn't exist, eh? What color is the sky in your world?

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[–] rockstar-40 9 years ago

I bet you have a lot of friends.

[–] tom-1674 9 years ago

the sooner you unclench

I love it! Consider that stolen.

[–] loulou1992 10 years ago

Are you an expert ? NO... Watch Return of the living Dead, the two guys was dying slowly, their bodies dying but they stayed very much in pain. So they turned into Zombies without completely shutting down.

[–] cyberdynesystems101 10 years ago

Are you an expert ? NO... Watch Return of the living Dead, the two guys was dying slowly, their bodies dying but they stayed very much in pain. So they turned into Zombies without completely shutting down.

They weren't "dying slowly". They were already dead. They breathed in the gas and collapsed and died sometime during before they woke up, but the effects of wanting to eat brains didn't happen yet. Later in the movie the mortian said rigamortis was setting into their bodies, that doesn't happen until they've been dead for at least a few hours.

[–] theboxingcannabyte 10 years ago

No they can't make a Zombie whatever they want it to be because people will just not watch their crap

Tell that to George Romero, who invented the idea of the Zombie Apocalypse in the form as we know it today. Before that zombies could be semi-alive puppets or Frankenstein-monster-esque beings. Reinventing the medium is nothing new. Vampires in ancient mythology have ranged from dragons to demons to fly-like beings, snakes, etc. Were-beings, zombies, the undead, it's all free-range. You're being a troll or you're being obtuse, either way that's a *beep* thing to be, lol.

You could easily have been one of the many studio producers that would have shut down the idea of Night OF the Living Dead because "only zombies should be black voodoo magic *beep* no one wants to watch middle-America getting turnedi nto the walking undead, that's crap!"

That is literally the logic you're using. FFS

[–] lhgm-br 10 years ago

Ok, so tell me what do you expect from zombies:
- That they are slow and dumb or fast and ferocious?
- That they crave for human flesh or just for brains?
- That they keep wandering around or remain still until there's noise?

Sorry but I don't see anything set in stone here. You obviously are just pissed because the movie was not what you expected. Get over it and yourself.

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[–] soupphysics 9 years ago

And the majority of people simply don't care at all, how YOU think zombies should be.

The trailer shows exactly what to expect, so it's only yourself you can blame, if you go watch it, and expected something else.

[–] Starcraft_90 9 years ago

There is no 'Zombie' genre. Which is why this is filed under Action - Thriller. Hence, the writer/director can do whatever the *beep* they want.

[–] songod-95003 9 years ago

What do you know about the true zombie genre? Does your reference only go back to George Romero's creative re-imagining with his landmark film "Night of the Living Dead"?

As I recall from seeing that film many times the resurrected dead are never called zombies. Why? Because zombies do not eat living people. The notion that zombies rise and chow down on living people is false.

Real zombies are mindless drones controlled by their makers, usually a Voodoo High Priest. They do not eat drink or sleep. This makes them ideal workers for sugar mills or harvesting the poppy fields as they also do not need to be paid. The owner of the business pays the Voodoo master for the use of however many "workers" he needs for the night shifts when no one else is around. Increased productivity!

The flesh eating and or brain eating variety is a modern (last 45 years or so) mutation of said traditional zombies.

For a fine film about those mindless ones see 1932's "White Zombie" with Bela Lugosi.

So a zombie can be whatever the writer wants it to be; just like depending on the writer a vampire can or cannot do certain things.

[–] hexrei 9 years ago

Wait, are we now talking about voodoo zombies in film or reality? In reality, they do need to eat and drink, that's just simply biology and laws of thermodynamics. They will die like any other human if they don't.

Of course in film anything goes...

What a lovely way to burn...

[–] songod-95003 9 years ago

Well it would have to be movie zombies as I have had no personal experience with the real deal (though I have read that the film "The Serpent and the Rainbow" was pretty accurate - for a movie).

Biology would not apply if they were actually dead. The resurrection would be not just reanimation but I imagine also a magic induced suspended animation; hence no need to eat or drink or sleep. In "Serpent" and in "White Zombie" the afflicted were not dead, just appeared to be via a potion\powder and a spell. So they would have to be maintained.

[–] hexrei 9 years ago

That's exactly what I mean. As I understand it, "real" voodoo zombies are basically chemically lobotomized using poisons. They are not truly dead, but their frontal lobe brain functions have largely ceased. They have all the autonomic functions that their brain stem maintains still, so they will still breathe, digest (although they may need assistance eating and drinking) and possibly perform simple actions.

What a lovely way to burn...

[–] hexrei 9 years ago

Btw I was in this thread posting about pretty much the same thing you posted about before I saw yours, glad to see a fellow true afficionado. I actually did a speech about zombie movie history for a college class a few years ago and I went heavy on the voodoo zombies because most people have no idea.

What a lovely way to burn...

[–] hordeashrealms 8 years ago

The word means "reanimated corpse".. nothing more, nothing less. The means of reanimation are the origin of the zombie's behavior.. which can be written any way a person likes.

[–] graham-167 9 years ago

No they can't make a Zombie whatever they want it to be because people will just not watch their crap.

The success of 28 days later and World War Z would disagree.

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[–] hexrei 9 years ago

If we're going that route, all zombies should be voodoo zombies raised by voodoo practitioners. They should also not be cannibalistic, not specifically susceptible to only headshots, and cannot transmit zombification through infection. That form of zombie preceded Romero's (which he didn't even call zombies in the first film btw, he said in interviews he considered them "ghouls") by centuries (at least) in cultural mythology and decades in film mythology.

What a lovely way to burn...

[–] zooymtoo 10 years ago

I never have figured out how some people can take a situation that doesn't exist and proclaim that there's only one way that it can be portrayed.
There are no zombies..Romero isn't God ..Remaining static is boring..
Notice all the current variations lately?
That's because there's a limit to doing the same thing over and over and never changing a thing or having it ever evolve in any way..
Zombies did exist before Romero and I don't remember any hard and fast rules to a fictional predicament. No one complained when Romero expanded on it.

[–] kingstelious 10 years ago

Nobody even mentioned Romero so I don't know why you have such a boner for him. And notice all these zombie variations are failures. People want straight up standard zombie's, without rules you just get a bunch of nonsense with people pretending it's a zombie movie

[–] jjett123 10 years ago

"And notice all these zombie variations are failures. People want straight up standard zombie's, without rules you just get a bunch of nonsense with people pretending it's a zombie movie"

LOL!! the most ridiculous statement as well as being the most untrue statement. look at the huge success of WWZ, WARM BODIES, etc, etc, etc, etc.

it sucks for YOU that you are so uptight. the rest of us can go on enjoying different variations of zombies, vampires, etc.

[–] kingstelious 10 years ago

World War Z is good but it's not really a zombie movie, they are basically the same the the 'vampires' in I Am Legend. Which is another movie that fails in comparison to the books. Warm Bodies is a great film but it's actually a horror comedy, much like Fido and many others. Maybe you need to educate yourself instead of making assumptions on things you clearly know very little about.

I'm not sure you even know what a zombie is or the original African tribe meaning of a zombie. Sooooo I'm done talking to you, I'm going to talk this wall instead, bye bye

[–] LibertarianSoldier 10 years ago

Is the African tribal version of a zombie the same as the purist you wish movie zombies to be?

[–] theboxingcannabyte 10 years ago

No it's not, I've never seen someone kill their own argument before as well as this guy did. Maybe he's just trying to make it *dramatic music* an UNDEAD ARGUMENT! 😱

[–] camel-wides 10 years ago

Resident evil didn't appear to be a failure... just saying. not have dozens of variations.
every movie is a variation, no two follow the exact same rules.
even romero's work changed over time.

[–] soupphysics 9 years ago

Their failure has absolutely nothing to do with them not following YOUR idea of how zombies work.

[–] jjett123 10 years ago

zooymtoo, VERY well said!!

[–] npearce27 10 years ago

They don't call them zombies in the movie. That is a label that was placed on them by writers of news sites and movie sites and the like. The movie refers to it as "necrotic viral pandemic".

[–] LibertarianSoldier 10 years ago

That's what I thought. In the movie they call it being turned when they go full infection mode.

[–] LibertarianSoldier 10 years ago

I could have sworn I never heard the word zombie in the movie. They called it being turned or just being infected, but I don't recall anyone in the movie referring to any of the turned as zombies.

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[–] Sector_B4 10 years ago

You know what a spoiler is, @sshole? You just ruined the movie for me. Thx a lot!

[–] trichardson2-2 10 years ago

and if you cant deduce that is how she saves her father then what level or should I say lack of level is your intelligence

[–] Strangerer01 10 years ago

You know what a spoiler is, @sshole? You just ruined the movie for me. Thx a lot!

Why do you come trawling the boards of a released movie that you haven't seen yet?
That's just asking for trouble.

[–] FullyOperationalSamaritan 10 years ago

You know what a spoiler is, @sshole? You just ruined the movie for me. Thx a lot!

You make me laugh. What are you doing on the forums of a movie you haven't seen yet? Common Sense would tell you to expect spoilers.

That is why I came on here after I saw the movie.

I think I can save you. But who's going to save me?

[–] theboxingcannabyte 10 years ago

Seriously, you're going on the thread for this movie, and getting pissy about people posting spoilers? FFS...It's up TO YOU to protect yourself from spoilers, not up to anyone on this website, or the internet. The whole "spoiler-etiquite" (which I'm ashamed to say I used to be like you, until I grew up and realized the world is evolving and you need to evolve with it and not expect people to pander to you or be tight-lipped about a movie on that movie's forum!) Grow up, buddy.

[–] arvindsasikumar921 10 years ago

What you described is just one way of saying what zombies are. But since zombies do not exist in reality, they are precisely what the writer of the story wants them to be. For instance in the walking dead, zombies are really slow moving creatures whereas in 28 days later, we see zombies running like the wind. In the Land of the dead, there was an intelligent zombie. Zombies are exactly what the writers want them to be.

[–] filmbuff1974 10 years ago

Not true. Check out the original "Dawn of the Dead". Before Roger turned he was pasty white and decayed. The transformation was slow. "Maggie" did not deviate from established George Romero style zombie lore.

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[–] kategriffin0 10 years ago

news flash..zombies are not real..they can be anything the writer wants them to be..