Wokeness rising: blackwashed Gordon and Selina Kyle
That doesn't look good...
shareA black Catwoman has precedent in live action.
shareWell, then we have black Seline Kyle and black Lt. Gordon in the movie (and black clone Alfred in the series).
Not to say Alfred in the movie is played by Andy Serkis, an actor that gives a nasty and vicious chill to his characters. It seems they're gonna make good old Alfred the usual white cuck archetype in modern Hollywood. And not to say the villains are all white males: Riddler, Falcone, Penguin... here there's no blackwashing, no femwashing.
It seems that the only decent white male in the movie left is gonna be Pattinson.
Wokeness rising.
You mean the hero is a white male? You should lead with that, rather than making it a footnote.
shareHalf of the positive characters are black. The villains, as usual, are all white.
shareInteresting. Isn’t Catwoman technically a villain?
shareNope. She's a 'shapeshifter' archetype.
https://debravega.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/writers-know-your-archetypes-the-shapeshifter/
She's an antihero(ine).
shareYes, the film "Catwoman" starring Halle Berry was wonderful, and received high critical praise as well.
shareAre you forgetting the 60’s Batman TV show?
shareIn what universe is a 9% RT score receiving high critical praise?
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman
Eartha Kitt played Catwoman three decades before that stupid movie.
shareThe black catwoman was just more pandering to the liberals back when Eartha played the role. Look at the times back in 60's it wasn't done because she was the best actress for the part it was part pandering and part publicity stunt. In that case it worked in spite of the decision... but then Newmar wasn't a very good catwoman.. Oh hell let's be honest it was a cheesy crap show that was created for little kids so why take it seriously.
Now if you want serious examples that only came with the Halle version that proved to be one of the worst movies ever made... The question is then if the public didn't want a black catwoman when it was played by an academy award winning actress that happens to be black... what makes them think the public want ANY black catwoman. The reality is a comic book character that has been around for more than 50 years resonates in the fans minds as strongly as a real person like Martin Luther King resonates, and just as no one would want to see MLK played by a white guy, the people that would want to see a catwoman movie are apt to want to see a white one like they grew up with in the comics.
That's the reason all these race swapping and gender swapping movies don't work. People are familiar with the characters and don't want them changed from what they expect. Does anyone think making a Shaft movie staring someone like Jackie Chan would make sense? Of course not, even though Shaft is fictional he is also expected to be black. It has nothing to do with people being racist and everything to do with people wanting to see things the way they remembered them and not have to deal with some jarring change like the race of the character suddenly being different or the guy suddenly being a woman.
"the people that would want to see a catwoman movie are apt to want to see a white one like they grew up with in the comics"
That's one huge assumption. I'm a fan and I couldn't care less if the actress playing Catwoman was white, black, brown, or any shade in between. If she looks hot in the catsuit and can act a bit, what does it even matter?
Well if you don't care, but comic fans do care then the only logical answer is to stick to white since people like you would see it either way and people like me want it to stick to white as it was. And that's from a non-white comic fan so don't start yapping that I'm some white power nutter, cause that's off base.
shareI didn't assume you were white but you seem to be assuming I'm trying to pick a fight here. I'm really not. I just don't think it's right to insinuate that all comic book fans are so hung up on the skin colour of actors chosen to play these characters. Is there anything specific about Catwoman that would make casting a black woman culturally insensitive?
Perhaps it's because I was first introduced to Catwoman through the 60s Batman TV series and it was a black woman portraying her then. I do wonder if that caused such a ruckus at the time or if people were a little less precious about these things back then. It's weird, we seem more concerned about diverse casting now then we did back then when it was a real rarity.
I respect your opinion but to me this casting is almost insignificant and certainly nothing to lose sleep over.
Would it be culturally insensitive to cast Jason Momoa as Spawn? To me it isn't a matter of cultural insensitivity it is just that I am tired of producers/directors doing diversity casting to fulfill some unwritten diversity quota. If a character was originally black then keep that character black, if the character was white then keep it white. If this was a first one off then I wouldn't really give a flip, but after seeing so many diversity castings happen and often in ridiculous ways that I'm just tired of it... so rather than say will maybe they had a real good reason to swap genders or swap races, I just want it to stop.
Perfect examples of the stupidity was the Fantastic Four where the brother and sister are suddenly cast as a white girl and a black guy... How the hell does that make any sense or get justified beyond pandering to the diversity at all cost crowd.
As for the reaction of Kitt in the Batman show, no one really cared about it because the show was aimed at kids and was dropping in the ratings at the time they made the switch. Although the official reason for the switch was because the original catwoman was doing another show that conflicted with batman, it was rumored that she was swapped because the rating had dropped and they wanted someone cheaper which makes more sense as Burgess Meredith was in Batman and also had a part in the same show that they claimed was the reason Catwoman was replaced. In the end you can never really know why they did what they did back then.
" If a character was originally black then keep that character black, if the character was white then keep it white."
MAYBE THEY COULD MAKE LITTLE SIGNS TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT....WHITES ONLY , BLACKS ONLY AND SO FORTH.
Perhaps it's because I was first introduced to Catwoman through the 60s Batman TV series and it was a black woman portraying her then. I do wonder if that caused such a ruckus at the time or if people were a little less precious about these things back then. It's weird, we seem more concerned about diverse casting now then we did back then when it was a real rarity.
It's concerning precisely because it has become systematic and almost mandatory.
There's a difference between the occasional whitewashing or blackwashing of a character. Damn, Much Ado About Nothing is one of my favorite movies, and Brannagh casted Denzel Washington to play a white character. But it's and old movie, it doesn't feel political, more like Brannagh thought he'd be the right actor. And he was right, Washington is absolutely brilliant in the role.
However, now that's more like a political/religious thing, making the positive characters black or female, while keeping the villains or the cucks as white males. It's not a rarity, it's widespread, and it shows a clear political/religious agenda. share