The tie


I am a fail :-) - but what is with the Tie Don had been given and later he gave to Sloan?

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Copied from my post on another thread

Charlie always wore bow ties. Giving the tie to someone on the staff is the metaphorical passing of the baton to fight for good journalism.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1870479/board/thread/238044265

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Sorry, but I don't think so. If it were a bow tie you might be able to make that assumption. Unless you have some link to the show where that is said, I don't buy it. I think the other respondent on the other thread is closer. We just don't know what it meant, but Don and Sloan clearly did. Not everything has to be explained.

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I do think it was a bow tie -- the traditional type you actually tie, not a clip-on.

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At a glance, the tie Charilie's wife gave to Don may appear to be a regular tie, but I'm pretty sure it's a traditional bow tie.

Don felt honored to receive the tie as a "passing of the baton" gesture, but he also felt relieved of the guilt that he felt over his handling of the Princeton story contributing to Charlie's death. Him giving the tie to Sloan was his way to honor Sloan's commitment to the "we just decided to" vision of ACN, but it also was a way to relieve Sloan of her guilt. I thought it was a loving gesture by him to her.

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Correct. Not all bow ties are clip-on.

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justwrite's second post has nailed it.

It was totally about how Don have felt relieved of the guilt after Charlie's wife spoke to him.

He managed to do the same for Sloan pretending it had been intended for her.


It might be that Sorkin didn't go in to it much but I doubt it was so that something could be left to the imagination. I figured he thought that it was all pretty obvious and it didn't need explaining.

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Nice touch to cast the talented Joanna Gleason as Charlie Skinner’s widow. She was in Crimes and Misdemeanors (1989) with Sam Waterston, and also appeared in another high caliber Woody Allen film with Waterston in the cast: Hannah and Her Sisters (1986). She played Dirk’s mother in Boogie Nights (1997) and Atty. Jordan Kendall in The West Wing. Both tie scenes were important. Well done.

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If it were a bow tie you might be able to make that assumption
There is absolutely zero doubt it was a bow tie. No possible way you could think it maybe wasn't, sorry but no idea how you missed what it was.

It was his trademark. Being passed down to Don was a gesture of how Charlie felt about him. Those words were even spoken by his wife. Come on, put down the phone when watching TV

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Why would it be anything other than a bow-tie? It was incredibly clear.

Even if you weren't paying attention enough to see that it was a bow-tie, it is obvious from the story and the reaction that it was one of Charlie's ties.

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....and bow ties are cool.

It had to be said. ;)

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LOL! I am quite aware not all bow ties are clip on! It looked like a traditional men's dress tie to me. I will go back and watch again but for now, I accept your explanation as correct.

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My father wore (wears! He's 93) bow ties for his entire life. I just went back and in hi-def, slo-mo I can state it was definitely a bow-tie; you can see the "flat ends" which only bow-ties have. (Four-in-hand ties have a diagonal tip.) And I don't know any self-respecting bow-tie wearer who would use a clip-on ;)

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I watched it again and it is a bow tie because it is obviously does not have "tips" like a regular tie. Now it all makes perfect sense. Thank you for clarification.

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Besides Charlie wore it in a previous episode

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I get that it was a tie, and saying it was a bow tie makes sense. I just thought maybe I had missed some dialogue earlier in the series explaining what handing down the tie actually meant.


Quo Vadimus

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Sure the tie could just be a device to free Don and Sloan from their misguided guilt.
But surely the significance of Charlie's tie in the finale (passed from Charlie's wife, to Don, and finally to Sloan) is greater than that.
What does a bowtie represent today (outside the formal dress code)..?
A professorial air? Individuality? An indicator of a more genteel and respectable time?
Charlie's bowties are a metaphor for the generational timeline the show is exploring.
Charlie's bowties simply represent the 'old school ' of journalistic idealism and integrity.
Will on the other hand (with his numerous ties bought anonymously and in bulk by interns) wears the ubiquitous striped tie of the prepackaged, cookie cutter, ratings obsessed anchorman, which after all is where he begins in season One.
Don wears a tie but rarely the red or blue striped tie of the corporate uniform but insipid ties of lukewarm resignation to conformity.
Neal and Jim, the up and coming 'young guns' often don't wear any ties, which represents the positive possibilities of the new generation freed from the strictures of the past.....unfortunately Pruitt and Bree are also tieless, representing the negative possibilities of a profession being cut adrift from its foundations.
Charlie's bowtie ends up with the idealistic, passionate, unapologetic, outwardly composed but internally insecure and questioning Sloan.....everything a great journalist should be....even if that journalist wears a dress.
Charlie's bowtie is a metaphor for passing the baton of journalistic integrity.

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I agree with almost everything that had been said in this thread about the symbolic meaning of the bow tie, I just want to add that that bow tie is the one that Charlie was wearing in episode 2 of 1st season. As episode 1 was the pilot, the real 1st episode of the series was episode two, so that was the bow tie that Charlie was wearing at the beginning.

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The tie part made me cry.

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