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Newsroom: Likes, Dislikes, and what you wanted more of


Likes

-The overall concept of the show. Nuff said!

-A GREAT ensemble cast. Not just Will and Mac, but the entire Newsroom 'family' - Charlie, Sloan, Don, Jim, Maggie and Neal. Even relatively minor characters like Gary and Kendra (not to mention the Sorority Girl once she joined).

-Character development for virtually all the main players. Will of course. But also Maggie, Sloan, Neal and Don. (Not to mention Leona and Reese...apparently).

-The whole Season 2 Genoa arc, with the dual narratives in both the (recent) past and present.

-Special shout-out to Charlie Skinner, Sloan Sabbith and Don Keefer.

-Some of the discussions on journalistic ethics, and legal and moral issues really stand out. For instance, Jim calling Maggie out on her 'manipulation' of the Zimmerman tapes. And the college rape sub-plot in the penultimate episode.

-Series finale

And last but no the least...

-"What makes America the greatest country in the world?"


Dislikes

-Most of Season 3, barring the last two episodes. The main plot of the mole/leaker/court-case just seemed to meander on and on.

-Story arcs that were left incomplete or abruptly ended. For instance, Will, Charlie and Mac blackmailing Leona and Reese in the Season 1 finale looked to be setting up an interesting status quo, but it was basically undone with a throwaway line in the second episode of the next season. Not to mention, Reese and Leona coming over to Will and Charlie's side and supporting them seemed came across as a sudden swerve. Then there's the 'death threat' subplot from Season 1 which was totally ignored.

-Occasionally, the moralizing of some characters went over the top. The train scene with Maggie and the guy from the EPA is a prime example. As is Jim's reaction to Hallie's new job. Got to give the show credit for having Maggie call him out on that though.

-The Don-Maggie-Jim love triangle maybe took up a little more screen-time in the first season and a half than it should have.

-Pointless subplot, like the whole HR rep thing in Season 3.


What I Wanted More Of

-The whole 'Internet journalism and Citizen journalism' vs. 'Real journalism' debate which IMO should REALLY have been the main focus of Season 3. The Hallie-Jim relationship sub-plot would consequently have been given much more room to breathe and would seamlessly have integrated with the central plot.

-More stories on Maggie's evolution as a journalist/producer. The Season 3 premier made an attempt to deal with it, but it was somewhat awkwardly handled. And all of a sudden she's revealed to be a much sought after producer in the end!

-I'd have loved to have learned more about Will and Mac's past, not only romantically but professionally.

-I'd have liked a little more admission and exploration of the grey areas in the journalistic business. Realistically, a news division DOES need to turn a profit to survive (or at least, to survive AND let it have the kind of independence that Will, Charlie and Mac enjoyed). Its easy for Charlie to claim he doesn't give a damn about ratings, but I'd have liked an episode or two (or even a sub-plot) where the team figures out how to balance journalistic integrity with commercial imperatives. Instead, the only options presented on screen often are either a surrender to crass tabloid journalism or upholding journalistic integrity at a VERY high level with zero considering for commercial success (though admittedly that does come back to bite ACN in Season 3).

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I can't get into too much detail, but overall, it was a great series. Could have been close to being as good as TWW, had Sorkin wanted to carry on with it. However, I understand that TWW could go on as along as it did, mainly because it could cover two full presidential terms, whereas with this show .. don't know if they could keep it up that long.
Having said that, I'm dissapointed with the series finale. I understand that having only 6 episodes things have to be wrapped up quickly, but the endong was just too much good stuff happening and everything ends up in the best possible scenario. Apart form Charlie, everyone gets promoted instead of getting fired, and it's wonderland for all.
I was expecting all of them getting kicked out and have them sitting and talking about starting their own show, or something of the sort.

But again, a great show and it's a shame it won't have a season 4.

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I actually thought the ending was bittersweet. They lost Charlie and Pruett is still in charge, and the going will be VERY tough (even tougher than it was in Season 1 with the Lansings)...but at least they have a chance.

And honestly, its a show about (fairly) normal, ordinary people doing the news. Not an action thriller, or a drama, or a horror show or anything of that sort. So an ending where mostly everyone ends up unscathed is par for the course.

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But drama and to some extent, action thriller was there in some way or another. If it is about regular people, the more I can't see how no one got fired. At the end of the day, anyone of us pull a stunt like that against our bosses' instructions and we are gone in minutes.

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Yeah, but this is a story, and to a certain extent, the good guys have to win.

Also, consider the circumstances. People like Sloan and Mac aren't some regular grunts. They are high-ranking journalists (Mac especially). And Pruett had a lot of bad press over his treatment of women already...getting rid of Sloan and Mac would have f#cked his image and the image of the company irretrievably. Not to mention, Will wouldn't stand for it. And Will's got a LOT of leverage with the company.

What we end up with is a stalemate. A compromise between the two warring sides. Mac gets promoted and everyone gets to keep their jobs and their journalistic integrity. And in turn Pruett gets some good press, and potentially he gets a news network of high journalistic standards which could reflect positively on him in the future.

If there was a Season 4 I'd actually have loved to see an exploration of the uneasy and evolving partnership between Pruett and ACN. How Pruett learns to respect journalistic integrity and how ACN becomes more sensitive to commercial considerations...and how they try to evolve some kind of balance without compromising either too much.

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Fair enough, and yes, the good guys have to win, I just expected them to win in another way.
I presume however that had there been a season 4, the whole storyline of season 3 wound have been different. Unfortunately we won't know. A shame that Sorkin got tired of the series, it was some of the best tv on the air right now.

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I loved how the minor characters were allowed to carve out excellent portraits, all those you mentioned and a special plus to Terry Crewes who played the body guard with an attitude.

And I loved that I learned so much so effortlessly. I will never forget the Glass-Steagall Act. And all the other the countless facts that was presented in an entertaining way.

The many discussion topics that were presented so intriguingly. Not the least was season 3's arc about crowd sourcing which is now discussed in Swedish press and TV. One British professor even mentioned in a program how interesting the citizen news gathering (as he called it) was, because of its authenticity!!!! So naïve, because we can never know which of the videos and pics actually are authentic and which are put up as a manipulation (i.e. a lie).

Another topic in season 3 is the role of FBI, Sorkin showed that they can do pretty well what they want, e.g. put people in jail and take them out again at the drop of a hat.

I thoroughly enjoyed all seasons.

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The pros :
- Sorkin's writing. Uneven, but overall sharp, incisive and funny. We can say all we want about it ; if his style was so annoying, we wouldn't be here talking about the show.
- The awesome ensemble cast, starting with Jeff Daniels (of course) and Sam Waterston, then John Gallagher, Alison Pill (seasons 1 and 3), Thomas Sadoski (seasons 2 and 3), Chris Messina, Jane Fonda...
- The covering of historical events (like Mad Men, but in a newsroom). It electrifies the drama.
- The romcom part of the show : I usually enjoy that genre, and in The Newsroom, I find its naiveté quite refreshing. Most of what happens is predictable, but nonetheless enjoyable.
- The critic of the Interweb culture and its abuses. Easy, but always nice to hear.
- Olivia Munn. Olivia Munn. Olivia Munn.
- Season 3, for using Olivia Munn more. Because yes, these are not the words of a demented fanboy : Munn isn't just an über-knockout, she ALSO can act ("don't call me girl, sir !"). Her scenes with Thomas Sadoski were one of the highlights of season 3.
- Finally, the series finale. Not a masterpiece (too many happy endings), but it had a lot of strong moments (the singing scene was absolutely wonderful)... and bad season finales are SO common, especially these past years, that it's always nice to notice the not bad ones.

The cons :
- The liberal propaganda, as subtle as a panzer tank, and the fact that Sorkin tries to make it look like he's neutral with his pseudo-republican main character. I do not sharing Sorkin's political beliefs, and find the usual self-righteousness that accompanies them quite unlikeable, so I've decided to ignore that part of the show (otherwise, I'd have quit as soon as I heard Maggie's disneyland-compatible speech about illegal immigrants in episode 1x02). But it still exists. And it gets real bad when Sorkin makes his characters lie about real things (the Boston bombers were not muslim ? WTF, Sorkin ?).
- Sorkin's writing... its own worst enemy. Because it's way too self-conscious, it sometimes gets in the way. I want to get into the drama, but the mecanism, the tricks are too obvious.
- The fast pace of the dialogue can be tiresome at times.
- The female characters, especially in the first half of the show. It gives the feeling that Sorkin can only write one kind of them : goofy, clumsy, sometimes hysterical, only there to make the guy look cool and in control. Not very subtle. It gets better afterwards.
- Not enough Munn in season 1.
- Some aspects of the romcom part... as mentioned earlier, I enjoy it, but it can also be irritating when it tries to hard to be charming.
- As the OP wrote, not knowing more about Will and Charlie's past.

I must have missed a lot of other interesting points, but these things take time.

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"If it's any consolation, fish aren't never even really alive. They're just less dead."

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(the Boston bombers were not muslim ? WTF, Sorkin ?).


I think he was saying that the falsely accused guys were not muslim.

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Oh ? I thought they were already talking about the Tsarnaev brothers at that point. If they weren't, my bad. But it felt to me like they were.

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"If it's any consolation, fish aren't never even really alive. They're just less dead."

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It wasn't about the ethnicity of the bombers per se...but more to do with the dangers of 'citizen journalism' and online vigilantism.

Which I must reiterate should IMO have been the theme of the season.

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That's right.
During the rundown meeting, they bring up the ethnicity of the guy who is falsely identified as the missing bomber by the internet police to point out that they(online vigilantes) didn't get anything right.

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And it gets real bad when Sorkin makes his characters lie about real things (the Boston bombers were not muslim ? WTF, Sorkin ?


This misunderstanding is another demonstration that all right wingers are psychopathic.

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And you haven't seen anything yet. The 21st century will be OUR century. Everybody's gonna die. Painfully. We won't spare anyone nor anything. Not even baby seals. After all, since the world is black and white and left-wingers are famously sane (as history has shown), right-wingers don't have any other choice.

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Britta : I don't think police should be heroes.
Annie : Britta, pay your rent.

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well put - as a dem, I happened to agree with just about every point you made on the show. And even as a lib, the left-leaning logic and lessons from the show were heavy-handed and all too frequently self-serving.

Huge Sorkin fan here who was majorly let down by this effort - despite my thrill in first learning about the project. It has all the strengths of Sorkin, but when unrestrained by primetime network considerations he appears to wander further into the chest-pounding, self-aggrandizing wilderness. My biggest problem was how silly everything was, and so frequently. Maggie and Mac would've been fired for cause very early on, and this ongoing unprofessionalism also consumed McAvoy (high on air), Charlie (routinely drunk) and just about everyone around them. For a non-sitcom, it sure would've accommodated a laugh track well.

Truly wanted to love this, and merely liked it from episode 2 on. By season 3, I could barely watch.

Were it possible to check out 90s drama series WIOU (CBS) I'd recommend that 1000x over this. Lasted one season, constantly pre-empted by Gulf War 1, and closely followed an LA Law-type format.

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I'm posting my thoughts as a reply to your comment because I agree with so much of what you posted, both pro and con. Except for your first con. Although I do understand how someone closer to the conservative end of the spectrum wouldn't like Sorkin's politics, and I respect your willingness to set that aside for some truly compelling and entertaining TV. The truth is, though, a whole lot of what Sorkin was saying needed to be said. And he had a Republican saying it because more Republicans should have been saying it during the rise of the Tea Party. (There's a reason "Tea Party" is a phrase that so quickly went out of favor with the right.)

A particularly liked your acknowledgement that some of the pros were also cons. I love Sorkin's rapid-fire dialogue...but sometimes it can be over done. I love clever characters...but sometimes they were just too clever. Etc.

Highest and lowest. I think the show was at its best when it was presenting both sides of the case. One standout example was the campus rape epidemic. It truly is an epidemic and a blight on society and a grotesque miscarriage of justice...but "outing" or "revenge" sites are sticky, STICKY territory and dangerous. We got a very serious and very even-handed debate on the topic. The lowest had to be the portrayal of the women as "goofy, clumsy, sometimes hysterical, only there to make the guy look cool and in control." You nailed that, and particularly on return viewing, it's cringe worthy.

"What else do you like? Lazy? Ugly? Horny? I got 'em all."
"You don't look lazy."

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My main dislike was silly stuff like Maggie and Jim being able to be in the same part of the airport where ticketed passengers are, (which in every airport I've been in since 9/11, they are separated, the area where the passengers are, is past security, not where you are able to purchase tickets) and then they are able to simply BUY the tickets from some passengers. (again, in the airports I've been to, your name has to be on the ticket and you have to have an id that states you are the person to whom the ticket was issued)
But perhaps they were in a less strict airport.

Mostly, tho. I loved it. I would rank it third tho, behind TWW and SportsNight.

"that is what's next so stick around" paraphrased. (love that he threw that little SportsNight tidbit in the final ep.

What I wanted MORE of? The Newsroom!


Quo Vadimus

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Not every country experienced 9/11. They were not in an American airport. FYI

HEY BABY LOOK AT MY EYES. I LOVE YA BUT I HATE YOUR LIES.

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Not that you don't have a point, but the example you used isn't right. Jim and Maggie do have tickets, but the tickets were to Havana Idaho or some place other than Cuba.

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The show tackled some very important and timely issues - I liked that.

The relationship back-and-forth, all the 90210-style ingrown office romance - I hated that.

In general, I liked the show, but couldn't stand the characters. Charlie was my favorite; Jim was OK sometimes; Don was OK sometimes. Leona was great, but not onscreen much. I thought Kendra might have been interesting, but they never gave her anything to do.

Every line a rapid-fire speech, most characters self-righteous and arrogant, but the basic premise of the show was compelling and interesting. For me, it ended at the right time. Any more would have been bad.

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Likes:
The first episode, specifically its promise to be about a better mainstream media than we have in real life.

Dislikes:
How quickly the series degenerated into a portrayal of the real life mainstream media. It didn't even pretend to be nonpartisan, but rather took off immediately as as a portrayal of the liberal media. The premise that it is only against tea party republicans is weak. As Will himself so often said, the tea party has taken over the republican party. Which was only possible because the tea party articulates the politics of the majority of republicans.

The myth of objectivity. This was best portrayed in the episode about bin Laden getting whacked by the US military. Killing bin Laden, assuming that was him who was whacked, did not make us safe. It just fed into America's egoic desire to win. There was no coverage of the fact that we created bin Laden, nor that we obviously at the very least left the door unlocked and looked the other way which is the only way some guy on dialysis living in a cave on the other side of the planet could have orchestrated 911. Ergo, newsnight 2.0 was, in fact, newsnight 1.0.

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LOVE this! Oh, man...where to begin!

I can understand you mistaking what they were doing at ACN as "liberal media." I've found with most Tea Party types (I'll get to that in a minute.), any media that tells the truth gets labeled as "liberal." (If it aint parroting Fox "News" RW propaganda, must be LIBRUL!!) Hint: Our MSM is CORPORATE. To quote a real life media figure, "Yes, there's bias in media. But it's bias toward conflict, sensationalism, horse-race, and expediency.")

The Tea Party As American Taliban episode must've really cheesed you off. But...sorry...all true. Watch it again. Spot on.

Trump/Palin 2016!! "You're fired!" / "I quit!"

"What else do you like? Lazy? Ugly? Horny? I got 'em all."
"You don't look lazy."

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I feel for the people who consider this show to be anything but entertainment. And, it is bad entertainment as it has a very dangerous agenda. The show is a shouting match mutch like MSNBC,CNN, and FOX. I couldn't get past the 4th episode.

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Thought I'd like this show, but far too slow, and nothing like as good as West Wing.

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I didn't like how they abruptly discontinued the storyline of Will and his online bullies. I really wished Neal found out who that person was.

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