relationship between Cheryl and her husband?
I'd be curious to hear other people's take on the relationship between Cheryl and her husband (Josh) . . . they didn't appear to be very intimate . . .
Discuss . . .
I'd be curious to hear other people's take on the relationship between Cheryl and her husband (Josh) . . . they didn't appear to be very intimate . . .
Discuss . . .
To me they seemed like a couple who'd been together a long time - not particularly romantic, comfortable, and prone to bickering. Obviously she wanted things to work out because kept a professional distance from Mark and eventually converted to Judaism. I admit, for a good chunk of the movie I thought she might leave him, but by the end I was convinced that if nothing else they were committed.
shareI think it must suck to be Cheryl's Husband. Men who are strangers to his wife get more sex that he does with her.
shareAgreed...how would any man stand that his wife was out there having sex and being paid for it? It seemed like the husband was unemployed. She said he was a 'philosopher' who 'takes care of the house'.
If anyone needed a boost to his manhood, it was her husband.
And what about the teenage son? Did he know what his mother did for a living?
Too creepy!!
One (usually young) person's 'creepy' is another (usually mature) person's 'thought-provoking'...
You seem to see things in rather juvenile, judgmental, black-and-white terms, if you don't mind my saying so (well, even if you do).
"In your eyes, the light, the heat; in your eyes, I am complete"- Peter Gabriel
A few thoughts this film provoked were:
Why does Helen Hunt's face look so scary? Surely she had access to a competent plastic surgeon. It was very distracting to observe the strange way her face has been pulled and distorted. For a woman her age, her face is extremely weathered-looking--despite the work done-- while her body seems to have retained a far more youthful appearance. Why could she not accept aging gracefully and let her face age naturally, as most men do? Is that not allowed in Hollywood?
Why does Helen Hunt, or any other actress in her age range (I'm thinking of Marisa Tomei in The Wrestler, playing a stripper) feel that the next step in the progress of her career is to demean herself by taking off all her clothes next to a man who doesn't? From a female viewer's perspective, what is the point? Men may enjoy seeing an older woman nude on screen, but why would a woman not feel uncomfortable at one of her own sex being exploited that way?
How did the surrogate's husband and son feel about her work? Is that career even remotely compatible with a marriage and family?
How does paying a woman to touch your body and genitals equate to achieving anything remotely approaching intimacy?
What was the point of this film? That handicapped people have a more difficult time finding sexual partners? That came as a surprise to you?
I know this was based on a true story, but it would have actually meant something to me emotionally if the protagonist and a woman had fallen in love and had consensual sex. Why was that so outside the sphere of possibility? That was the saddest part of all.
Anee: Much of your post is immature.
shareThe point is, the sex part is a tool used in therapy. If they really "fell in love" it would be very unprofessional of her and she couldn't do her job correctly. Still, you can see some lingering emotions when they engage in the fantasy later on and I'm sure the husband sees that as her getting to involved. I don't think it's designed as a substitute for "intimacy". It's two things. 1. He thinks it's as close to sex as he will ever get, so it's the next best thing. 2. From her perspective the goal is to uncover and work through his mental barriers so he can have actual "intimacy" with other people. Plus, plenty of people are having sex with no attachment or emotions as a technical exercise. The difference is this one has a purpose, provides afterthought and feedback. As a person with disability, although much less severe, I applaud her for taking this role. When you think about it she does nothing on screen beyond being naked, a pretty frequent feat in European cinema. What makes you uncomfortable is the context. She's middle aged, he's middle aged and disabled, the Western culture doesn't find people like that in sexual situations attractive, so they should just cover up. The movie is about needs and wants. Not love. And you rarely see people with disabilities presented in such a humane and honest way. You can check out my impressions of the movie here: http://blog.lawyeronwheels.org/2012/12/sessions-take-on-disability-and -human.html
As for the main topic. I believe that the husband recognizes Cheryl as a professional who's doing her job. She could just as well be a therapist, a nurse, a lab technician a garbage man. It is not personal and it's not about her. There are different types of relationships. There are careers many find gross or disturbing. There are swingers, open relationships, even porn stars and strippers get marry. Is it for every one? Probably not, but then, you don't marry just anyone. And you can see, the only time he steps in is when it dangerously tangos into the romance realm.
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Take a bow, you've spoken like a true ignorant American.
shareI think you make some very good points. It seems like, unless you're your Meryl Streep, Julianne Moore, Helen Mirren or Judi Dench, an actress over 45 or so has a very limited choice of roles in Hollywood. If she retains some degree of youthful beauty she may indeed become the aging stripper or sex worker; if not she becomes Grandma or the Funny Lady Next Door.:)If she needs to pay the bills, she does what she has to do.
The plastic surgery issue is tricky. If a woman dares to display her wrinkles on camera audience members scream, "She got old!" Gray hair and wrinkles are considered distinguished on a man in this culture, not on a woman. Yet if she undergoes surgery she'll be judged for looking fake or bizarre. There are a precious few actresses (Michelle Pfeiffer, Jane Seymour, Raquel Welch, Vanessa Williams) who just don't seem to age much, and they're the lucky few.
As far as this film, I caught myself thinking, "Would Hollywood ever do a reverse Sessions, with say an attractive middle-aged actor like Pierce Brosnan as the surrogate and a lady in the iron lung? Now that I'd pay to see.:)
Feminism is the "radical belief" that women are people, and should be paid and treated equally.
I know this was based on a true story, but it would have actually meant something to me emotionally if the protagonist and a woman had fallen in love and had consensual sex. Why was that so outside the sphere of possibility? That was the saddest part of all.
I'd like to respond to one of your questions: How did the surrogate's husband and son feel about her work? Is that career even remotely compatible with a marriage and family?
Obviously there are a great many men who could never accept having their wives act as professional sex surrogates. A career choice of this type is opposed by the entire ideology of our society, which insists that sexual exclusivity is essential to marriage, and that any other way of doing things is immoral.
But just as obviously, not everyone in our society buys into this view. Although they constitute a small percentage, there are marital partners who engage in free love, swinging, polyamory, or other forms of open relationships, and who are perfectly comfortable with their spouses doing likewise.
Cheryl's husband Josh was clearly among this group. He accepted Cheryl's work for what it was: A helping profession that did a lot of good for individuals who desperately needed it. When his wife received a romantic poem, he reacted with jealousy, threatened by a professional relationship that seemed to be escaping its bounds and intruding into a more personal domain; but prior to that, when Cheryl first told him about the young man, his response to her was, "You're a saint."
As for their son's view, this was an issue the movie did not explore, but it seems to me that most individuals' view on most matters is strongly influenced by those of their parents. If his parents felt there was nothing wrong with his mother having sex with other men in a therapeutic context, then it is at least a strong possibility that he would feel the same.
So yes, I would say that while it is not for everybody, a career as a sex surrogate can be compatible with marriage and family. And since this movie is based on a true story, that appears to have been the situation in this case.
"You seem to see things in rather juvenile, judgmental, black-and-white terms"
Does anyone else see the irony in this statement?
The perspective expressed in their message was juvenile, judgmental and closed-minded. Of course, it's their opinion, but that doesn't make it immune from criticism.
"In your eyes, the light, the heat; in your eyes, I am complete"- Peter Gabriel
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There is more to a marriage than sex, particularly after years of marriage. Cheryl's husband is comfortable in his own skin and he does not need sex to prove his manhood. Mark does need sex, and he gets it the only way he can.
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To atmvawser regarding you silly response to anee08
I am neither young (fact), or immature (in my opinion at least).
If anee08 thought the movie provoked a creepy feeling, then what is juvenile, judgmental, black-and-white (your words) about that?
It was relevant to the movie and summed up their opinion without being pretentious, unlike you, who's reply was juvenile and judgmental, if you don't mind my saying so (well, even if you do).
(and I don't mean you or the OP.)
Why don't you tell us what YOU thought of the film?
"In your eyes, the light, the heat; in your eyes, I am complete"- Peter Gabriel
I'm not sure what's going on. I just got an email from here and I don't yet know how it all works
Me? I read through the posts as to clues to see if I would like it or not.
I got the impression from the posts that it's probably something I wouldn't enjoy. I am confused as I have only ever used this twice.
I saw the post before yours and then read yours and thought it was rude. It's easy to belittle peoples opinions and I don't like bullying.
I think the poster had a right to call the film creepy if that's the way they felt and said it with no maliciousness.
I thought maybe you're having a bad day or for some reason the subjects in the movie felt personal to you but even so, I don't think it warranted being rude.
In all honesty I felt kind of bad because I don't know the reasons why you were annoyed at them.
Maybe if I had watched the film I'd understand better where everyone was coming from. I don't mean you any ill will, just got pissed off a bit because I think I know what you meant, but I would not have said it in that way at all.
Anyway, I honestly hope you have a good day wherever in the world you are!
Take care,
scott
It's a beautifully moving, gratifyingly honest, totally engaging story of an individual whose circumstances have left him with a sharp mind, a keen wit and a loving heart, but cruelly depriving him of the kind of physical independence and conventional sexual allure that most of us would take for granted in ourselves and in others. He takes steps to attempt to know the kind of intimate sexual sensations (though not necessarily relationships) that he considers, rightly or wrongly, to be a crucial part of the human experience, and he doesn't want to get too old or too sick to ever get the chance again.
The story outline above would probably have been enough to hook me in and keep me interested even if the presentation of it were lacklustre. Fortunately, that isn't even remotely the case. John Hawkes' and Helen Hunt's performances were both stunningly believable and achingly poignant in their own way, the women playing the caring carers were absolutely lovely in their portrayals, while writer/director Ben Lewin kept the tone at some miraculously successful level between truly funny and truly heart-wrenching. Perhaps I have some niggling doubts about the portrayal of William H. Macy's church guy, as to whether he'd really be as unjudgmental as he appears, but it didn't bother me that much..In short, this movie was quite an experience; one for the heart, mind and body!
9/10
"In your eyes, the light, the heat; in your eyes, I am complete"- Peter Gabriel
As a surrogate mother who preferred to not be injected with insane stuff to "make" me pregnant and chose to use my own eggs and womb, I don't find this much different and it is of my opinion that like with Cheryl's husband, the partner in a surrogate's life either has to understand or not. And like with Cheryl, as a woman felt "called" of sorts to do this for other human beings, if people in my life couldn't or wouldn't understand, that was pretty much too bad.
I thought it was kind of creepy myself that the kid was calling her Cheryl. The husband got a little touchy and nosey on the poem part and what's up with letting your wife carry all the weight while he sits at home and philosophizes. Just seemed a bit weak on his part. Helen Hunt sure has stones getting totally buff in this movie. Just love her for that. No body double on mine thank you! Get 'em girl!
shareI don't know, I think he really could careless. My thinking is that if he wanted to have sex with his his wife, he could of, but chose otherwise.
"If we are always guided by other peoples thoughts, whats the point of having our own?"
This relationship shocked me way over the main one.
I think it's demeaning and culturally xenophobic to put pressure on someone to convert to a religion. Since Cheryl is supposed to be a bit more enlightened, I think it was sad to see her cave to yet another religion that puts more shame on sexual naturalness and perpetuates another sexist idea of gender relationships.
I don't think it was meant to imply that he pressured her. I think it was a device meant to show that she was committed to her husband and willing to meet him half way on something important to him. . Also that she was spiritual despite having a very biological, technical approach to sex and that she was searching for her herself as well
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Or in other words, it made her human, like the priest lighting up.
Great movie.
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Certainly there is a great deal of respect and admiration on her part, but how about his? She struck me as extremely unhappy at home, willing to be subservient to her husband and convert to his fait. But I'd be surprised if they were still together five years down the road.
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