To fall in love with an A.I., it should be that they are human in every way except their brain. That’s how Deckart fell for Rachael. But a hologram that uses a projector and then upgrades to a remote control projection? I didn’t feel the connection.
shareHumans fall in love with replicants, replicants fall in love with holograms... I think it's perfect.
Now what would a hologram fall in love with? An air conditioner, perhaps?
have a look at some of the other discussion threads here... it seems a lot of humans have already fallen in love with Joi ;) ... but unlike K, they don't seem to be bothered by the reality that it's just an act ;)
seriously though, in 2049 K is emotionally stunted as he sees himself as less than human... it's only when he has an existential crisis, thinking that he might have been born, that he starts to connect with his humanity and emotions beyond numbness... so, in this emotionally stunted state it's easy to see how he'd be dependent on the simulated technology for comnection, much like a lot of young men these days resort to pornography, anime and such instead of playing with real girls... even the prostitute calls him out on it... the thing is, the attachment he develops to joi is real, from his side, which makes the realisation that it was simulated all the more crushing to K later in the movie...
I get that we all have virtual relationships on some level but it didn't make for good story telling. I think the idea of a replicant having his own 'property', like himself, would be a better storyline, as it raises the issue of slavery and hypocrisy.
shareDidn't Britney Spears do that in one of her songs... "I'm a slave for youuu" ... hahahahaha
Except that Joi is basically an iphone, whereas K is human apart from him thinking of himself as less than human... yes, Joi is useful and subserviant to K, the way K is useful and subserviant to humans, but his car is also subserviant to him, as is his toaster and such... so while I do see the point you're making and it is clever and meaningful, we can't really take it far enough for it to mirror K's condition... unless we maybe go down the road of examining Joi as an artificial intelligence and whether or not she gains consiousness and such... I think to juat assume that in this movie would seem contrived...
Anyway, seeing as moviechat people are ready to give her (Ana or Joi?) an Oscar, i think they pretty much nailed it with their concept of Joi... either that, or the internet just really wants a holographic girlfriend to become reality... ;)
Just wait, the Joi AI sexbots are rolling off the assembly line.
shareIt was the most blatant manic-pixie-dream-girl in recent cinema. Such a sad role.
shareThey missed a number of marks. Plus, if they hadn't shown her in a large ad on every street corner, there could have been a HUGE, heart wrenching reveal when he DID see the large hologram and learned for the first time, she was just a product - instead of just missing her or whatever that scene was supposed to be.
shareUm. He knows she is an AI/hologram.
shareI know. So why did we care about that 40 foot hologram he stands and stares at for 5 minutes? That could have been used to show.... I dont know.... ANYTHING more than a 40foot version of her.
shareThat scene was there to show while he could just go out a buy another Joi it would NEVER be the same as the one he had. They really had formed a real connection. It's like getting a reminder through an old photo of a loved one who died except it's an ad that's all over the city.
shareIs that what that meant? I didn't get that from K's emotionless, deadpan facial expressions, or perhaps I was falling asleep at that point?
This movie seems to have a lot of "open for personal interpretation" scenes in it. To the point where the director is going on line to explain what scenes mean.... which means they failed INSIDE the movie.
In any case, to you guys' delight, I think I'm done ragging on this flick. It was so forgettable to me, that I am forgetting it, and I can't really discuss something I don't remember.
i think ur the one that missed the mark. ryan gossling never had a love interest.
sharePretty much. He's deeply invested in her existence, but he's not terribly empathetic in the first place and I don't think he'd call it love.
shareu missed the mark too
shareUnless you are actually referring to the actor, not the character (in a clev-ah way).
sharejoi's love for him was completely fake ergo he didnt have a love interest.
shareShe did try to save his life. I felt there was some sort of love.
sharehow? but saying no? she said everything he wanted to hear.
shareI guess I was fooled by the illusion.
shareIf someone is lonely enough, they will develop a connection to anything. A cat...a plant....a........volleyball. Look at Joaquin Phoenix's character in Her.
Joi had artificial intelligence. She had a personality. She could think, respond, reply and express. Including, as we found out....love. One can assume her AI and ("personality") increased with time and exposure to K (almost like a pet can grow more and more intelligent and attached to its owner, and vise versa).
It's easy (and rather knee-jerk) to just write Joi off because she was not fleash & blood. She was yet another part of the overall existential questions being raised in the movie...about what it really means to be human. I think...therefore I am?
The connection K and Joi had was real, and Joi had more love (and "soul") than any actual humans in his life. Stretch yourself a little. Suspend some disbelief. Otherwise, why even bother going to a sci-fi movie?