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So you're telling me this movie made over a billion and Justice league didn't?


What in the world is going on... Batman, Superman, Aqua man, Flash, Cyborg and wonder woman couldn't get past a billion? A truly sad time for comic book fans.

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I'd like to look at that as a missed opportunity for DC fans but not a sad time for Comic Book fans. Eventually Warner/DC will make a good to decent JL movie that fans like and is critically praised. There is just too much money out there for it not to happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if Warner/DC does a completely unexpected move and does an animated version of JL that cracks the Box Office. They appear much more comfortable with stories and characters for their animated releases.

For me the definitive version and the best Batman movie is Mask of the Phantasm which got a botched theatrical release. The casting was excellent, the villain was top notch. Mark Hamill was chillingly maniacal as the Joker, the noir feel or gothic feel was tone perfect.

Someone will do a fully rendered all CGI animated Superhero movie that will reap Box Office gold.

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Correction: it’s a sad time for DC comic book fans.

With the exception of Wonder Woman, it should be no mystery why DC/Warner haven’t been exciting comic book movie fans, let alone the movie going public. Justice League was more of a sequel to BVS, and that movie killed a lot of interest in the DCEU. It certainly didn’t help that JL got a lackluster reception.

Black Panther and Marvel, on the other hand, have proven to be super successful for all the right reasons.

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DC fans must be absolutely seething that a minor (pun intended) Marvel character effortlessly destroyed their high-profile, excessively budgeted and total failure Avengers knock off. Black Panther has set up another huge franchise for Disney while DC have to go back to the drawing board and go through yet another tired reboot.

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DCEU will overtake Marvel very soon. With the success of Wonder Woman, DCEU has found the formula for success.

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WB/DC did not use that formula for their DCEU or DCCU post WW for JL.

I do think WB/DC will rebound but they will have to serve some kind of penance and win the audience back also.

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DCEU will never take over marvel, its peaked already, if it cant make over 1 billion with batman and superman in the same movie then which movie can ? it brought out the big guns from the off and its failed miserably , heck black panther destroyed BVS and JL and its not even a marvel C lister.

DCEU will continue to make below average movies for some time.

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With the success of Wonder Woman, DCEU has found the formula for success.

No. Wonder Woman was fine for one viewing, but it's boring. They took the best character in the movie, the secretary, and gave her as much screen time as she got in the trailers. Completely wasted.

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yeh, DCEU really sucks at making movies

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No.

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They really do, as evidenced by their poor showing at the box office. The films have a built-in audience that will see anything with Batman or Superman, but beyond that nearly no one wants to see these shitty films. I wish they'd get their act together.

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What's sad about it? Do you have WB shares? Don't compensate by projecting onto things you have no stakes in, like comparing box office of movies. It's what losers without a life do.

Batman and Superman (and Spiderman) are the classics since decades, but overused and overmilked, they need to rest for some time until there is no audience fatigue anymore. But then they will return stronger than before, like with Schumacher killing Batman and Nolan then creating the pinnacle CBM movies for millennium.

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and Nolan then creating the pinnacle CBM movies for millennium.

Movie. NOT "movies."

The Nolan fanboys didn't start raging until The Dark Knight. They were quiet after Batman Begins and most were still saying "Nolan who?" while true Nolan fans (like me) even went to see INSOMNIA in the THEATER. AND LOVED IT.

Then they started clustering around Nolan because of Heath Ledger, basically... and the Joker.

Then they still cluster around as Nolan drops that cluster-fuck Dark Knight Rises, an absolutely abysmal horrible movie that is actually difficult to watch and is basically a parody of itself... they go calling it some epic masterpiece and send death threats to the first critic who gives it a negative review.

(At least they didn't pass up Inception, the best since Memento, even though they turned spinning polished-steel tops into the new annoying hipster fad)

THEN their adoration and worship of Nolan results in one of the most impressive yet one of the most absent-minded, self-contradicting anti-science sci-fi movies ever seen, Interstellar, and they start saying how it's the best since 2001, even though 99% of them haven't seen 2001 and wouldn't stay awake through it.

Then that just doesn't last because Interstellar was really embarrassing, and there is no more Nolan Batman, and his Batman legacy (as well as Nolan being a producer) has turned Superman into Krybaby from Krypton, because brooding emo bullshit only works for Batman, and the Nolan fanatics just sort of decide to quiet down for a while, especially after their Suicide Squad Joker turned out to be as much of a joke as it looked like it would be.

Dunkirk what? What's that? Nolan who? Sorry, we just want more Joker. Joker Joker Joker.

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I actually think Begins is the best of the 3, I enjoyed pretty much all Nolans films , some are over rated, I really enjoyed Interstellar , Prestige is dam fine , Dunkirk was very good.

You cant compare his TDK trilogy to the current DCEU, his are infinitely better than anything the DCEU has created

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I tried to fight NOLAN too. You just can't. The man is too big. He's NOLAN.

He created a Batman trilogy which is on practically every professional trilogy ranking just below Godfather, LotR and SW. He did it because he is NOLAN.

He created Batman films that sit top ten in the Best 250 movie charts since a decade. He did because he is NOLAN.

No more, no less: just NOLAN. All you can do is getting sensitive nipples about it or sniff a raccoon turd to forget. But that will not touch the legacy of NOLAN.

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