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Watanabe... and people like him..


they should suffer a fate worse then death, alone and forever anonizing.

What a total douche. I just wanted to reach through the screen and jam my
thumbs into his eyesockets.

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It is funny how these silly sappy POW war movies suck people in. Meanwhile, you want to torture to death everyone in your local prisons even if they stole a slice of pizza LOL

Plus we did drop a couple of atomic bombs on the mofos so I think we got them back

--Ju know what a "Hasa" is Frank!?! Dat's a PIG, that don't "FLY STRAIGHT"

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Hey turk, You are one sad case of retardation. What can I say.

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And sadly there are many like today in both Germany and Japan. The fascist legacy still lives. Of course most modern Germans and Japs recognize the Anglo-Americans allies as liberators. Yet there those that are in denial.

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MY god!!!! How old are YOU?? 90?

Clearly, you don't have a Passport… and have NO IDEA what MODERN "JAPANESE" and Germans
think of Americans….

XOXO JAG

Just a Gurl from Seattle, living in Sweden

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You are right about Japan - the majority still thinks that Japan is the victim and "did nothing wrong".
You couldn't be more wrong about Germany, though - in contrast to Japan, they have turned around their society and made sure that history cannot repeat itself through many many measures, like making amends with their old enemies, integrating into the EU, opening up to immigration and becoming a multi-cultural, pluralist society where fascism would not find the fertile ground that still exists in Japan and it's totalitarian, quasi-feudal system and overbearing nationalist and right-wing political groupings, which is isolated from its neighbours and strives to rearm itself with nuclear weapons (although that is the long-term goal that the Jap. administration doesn't openly state yet).

Germany does have some Neo-Nazi idiots rallying, especially in the Eastern part, but those are just some powerless troublemakers who have no sympathy from the public and are being watched very closely by the government in order to take them down once they step beyond the line.

Japan still is a society that could be led into fascism quite easily, partly because the US did not cleanse the country from the evil structures like it did in Germany. Hirohito should have been sentenced to death, and the whole Japanese empire brought to the end of its history, so the Japanese could start from scratch. So basically, all the trouble that Japan now causes in the world is due to a huge oversight or misguided political strategy on part of the US.

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As you know the name of the Emperor was Hirohito, you should know that asking him to be "sentenced to death" was a bit ridiculous. It was well-known that he was against war with the US but was helpless in controlling the Military. The latter still wanted to continue the fight even after the dropping of the two bombs, and the Japanese would undoubtedly have continued if the Emperor wanted them to do so. Instead, Hirohito used the respect he commanded among the people to call upon them to surrender. The Allies did execute some Japanese war criminals but Hirohito was never among their list.

It was also somewhat of an exaggeration to say that Japanese today still believed that they "did nothing wrong". Rather, they avoided talking about it and took special care not to mention the atrocities. They still caused controversies from time to time - for example, by the occasional visits of high officials to the Yasukuni Shrine to honor the War dead. There is nothing wrong with that, except some of those being honored were among what the Allies listed as "war criminals".

Still, the numerous atrocities committed by the Japanese were beyond doubt. What is disturbing is that many people - who would take every opportunity to bash the US - have no knowledge of the Pacific War beyond the sentence "Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the US dropped the atomic bombs". Yet they insist on the "inhumanities" of the US in their treatment of the Japanese during the War. There are many such people in these boards, and it appears that some of them are even from the US. They should at least Google a little on the history of Japanese aggressions at the time and look at a map .

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Well, even an Emperor can theoretically be sentenced to death, which probably would have gone a long way in showing the Japanese that he (and the family he is a descendant of) are no Gods, but mere mortals.

I say that because I think it is highly debatable (and it is debated among experts) that the role of Hirohito in WWII and the previous imperialist aggressions of Japan in Asia was, as you described it, helpless against the fascist military. Even those militarists back then thought of him as as God - and they wanted to extend his Empire and reign. So it is likely that he could have stopped them very easily and put an end to aggression.

That's why many people still think his role in WWII and before is heavily downplayed, especially by the Japanese themselves who will stop at nothing to have his image remain untarnished, and "corrected" in their sense, even today.

But there are some proven documents saying that he was indeed participating in military planning, had a war room inside the palace, was wearing military garb throughout the war, and even initiated and oversaw the atrocities Japan committed in Nanking (medical experiments) due to his personal interest in science and biology.

There is a photograph of Hirohito in full military garb on a white horse which is a huge taboo in Japan, and basically censored.

There is little proof because the Japanese managed to destroy most evidence around the days of the capitulation and the US military not having access to the palace even after Japan declared defeat. But logically, and by common sense, it just doesn't add up when people say Hirohito had God status in Japan and head of the military, but at the same time he was totally powerless AND clueless about what went on.

In my opinion, this is an (ongoing) effort to whitewash the Emperor's name from all guilt, and unfortunately, the US Administration wasn't interested in really reforming Japan and get rid of its right-wing lunatics in order to have an Anti-Communist firewall. This might bite the Western world in the buttocks, in the long run.

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You are ridiculous in your argument. The poster gave you facts, proving you incorrect in your wrongly held views. You claims of "theoretically sentenced to death" and "highly debatable" are the kind of deflection that narcissists often engage in, rather than admit they were wrong and destroy their self-image of brilliance and righteousness. Good luck with all that.

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As you resort to the fallacy of ad hominem, why should I take you seriously. If you are really interested in the topic, and not just a Japanese troll, pick up the widely acclaimed work by Herbert Bix on the topic of Hirohito, and then you'll be able to discuss this on an adult level, because it leaves no other conclusion than Hirohito deserving the death penalty:

Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan by Herbert P. Bix
Link: http://amzn.com/0060931302

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Unlike the Germans, the Japanese did not surrender unconditionally. The Allies are not entitled to execute the Emperor given their prior reassurances of his personal safety.

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I think I read it in Zamperini's book which stated that the Germans killed about 1% of their POWs while the Japanese killed no less than a third.

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Japan did nothing wrong. It only made wars of aggression upon other Powers and committed inhumane acts. This is no different from what the other Great Powers did, albeit to a much lesser extent for the inhumane acts.

Its wrong was in losing.

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The EU will collapse and Germany is already fed up with muslim immigrants...

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I grew up seeing Japanese POW camp movies, like 'Bridge on the River Kwai' and all the many others down the years. My reaction, especially as a young person, was also outrage and loathing for the Japanese officers who treated prisoners so brutally and inhumanely. It just seemed to be something that Japanese did in wartime, something inherent to that nation especially. ...

Then, after reading about the Abu Ghraib prison and what went on there, there is the realization of an equivalence between people who were stationed in such places. Maybe all the horror doesn't have anything at all to do with nationality or cultures or ethnics. There just seems to be something about prisons and the vile people who have authority over them and the inmates ... such situations must surely bring out the very worst in people.

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Nice try, but Abu Ghraib, while horrible, is in no way comparable to the deeds committed by the Japanese during and after WWII

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At least war-time Japanese were no hypocrites who talked about bringing democracy and freedom to the countries they conquered. They were upright and honest about their intentions and hatreds. And while they certainly caused many deaths, they did not exhibit such psychotically sick sexual aberrations as seemed to be the norm in Abu Ghraib.

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Oh yes, they were absolute hypocrites, and not honest at all!! Much worse than you imagine. They declared their aggressive conquest of Asian countries as "protection from Western influence" and created this propaganda point of a so called "Co-prosperity sphere", see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere, all the while they were killing and raping everything that moved.

Please get your facts straight or stop posting, you are making yourself look ridiculous.

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they did not exhibit such psychotically sick sexual aberrations as seemed to be the norm in Abu Ghraib.


You don't know what you're talking about. Among many, many other examples there were a number of cases where Japanese soldiers beheaded captured prisoners, cut off their penises, stuck the penises in their mouths, and stuck the heads plus penises on spikes.

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This is what makes the film's Christian narrative of forgiveness so powerful, especially with the final scene at the end when Louie is sitting there looking at the picture of Watanabe as a young boy. If the audience was angry, can you imagine how much hatred Louie must have, or should have felt for that man? Forgiving such a ruthless enemy sounds absurd, unthinkable even, but that is precisely Christ's call - to love your enemies. Even those who are there to torture you and kill you. Such forgiveness is probably even harder than holding up that board for your life, yet through Christ it is possible - and Louie found that strength as well.




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Its funny how some people are quick to become the new Watanabe under the guise of justice.

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I dont agree that we should force people to kill others, even if those were japanese soldiers from the camps. unless you mean the audience were all war criminals, but at that point this education would be pointless.

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