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He seemed pretty broken to me


I came away from this movie a bit perplexed. From my perspective, Zamperini was the only one who WAS broken, and the film didn't do a very good job of showing how he was singled out and tormented by "The Bird" Watanabe.

Based on some things I've read, the Bird would specifically search him out to pick on him due to both is status as an officer and his status as an Olympic athlete. In the movie, we only saw a few incidents where he was abused by the Bird, and in the end, he was the only one who looked broken and hollow by the end - the rest of the troops all seemed to be doing much better than him.

That's just my perspective though, and I'm curious to hear what others think about it.

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The Bird knew what he was made of. And he beat the living crap out of him. I don't know why but his treatment was so bad I can't believe he even lived!

Getting hit on the head like that? and a busted nose and hit in the eye and lifting that piece of wood on a busted leg? Are ya kidding? Nobody else was treated like that, not even half of that.

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Actually, the history shows that the Bird was pretty cruel to the prisoners in general, and Zamperini was not the only one who was targeted by him.

I just think that the movie would have been better if they had showed 2 things:

1.) the Bird mistreating Louis a lot more than the movie portrayed (which would be close to the book)

2.) Louis didn't seem so broken by the end of it - after all, the title of the movie is "Unbroken."

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LOL. "He seemed broken to me"

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Two questions for you:

1.) Have you seen the film?
2.) Have you read the book?

The book illustrates even further just how psychologically broken the experience left Louis. He sunk into alcoholism, and was plagued with nightmares and flashbacks for years, all of which contributed to financial problems, and some pretty serious issues with his marriage.

"Unbroken" is the title they chose to use, but from my perspective it wasn't so much that he was unbroken - he certainly was - but rather that he was able to pick up the pieces and put himself back together to heal and mend himself.

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His life didn't just sway in the breeze, it was pretty wrecked all around - alcoholism, marriage problems, financial problems, severe PTSD. He managed to pick up the broken pieces and put them back together, but he most definitely was broken.

I don't think that "Unbroken" in this context is that he was never broken, but rather, after he was broken, once he did put things back together, he was then unbroken.

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I don't think it was talking about that specifically to me it refers to his spirit his will to live and not just put up with something wrong and go along with it he wasn't broken at the end he was definitely jaded though

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They meant 'unbroken' DURING his ordeal, not afterward... He never threw in the towel, and gave up hope that he was going to come through it.




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Again, context is important here - although he was one person that the Bird singled out, he wasn't the only one. What's important to this story, what "Unbroken" really means and what it's about, is what happened afterward, which unfortunately was not covered in the movie.

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Or maybe it works on more than one level? A movie can mean many things to different people... and personally, I don't find what happened afterwards all that important!

So, you have your interpretation, and I'll keep mine.




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Well thank you for finally allowing me to have my interpretation! ๐Ÿ˜œ

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What do you mean, "finally"? This is your thread. Did you want people to respond and just agree with you, or did you want them to contribute with their own feelings?

If you'd already made your mind up, then there was no need to discuss the topic.





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There's a difference between having a different perspective and telling someone else that they are wrong.

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I never told you you were wrong. It felt like that's what you were doing to me - telling me about 'context', like I'm a five year-old who's never heard of the concept before.




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He came out at the end of those issues a better man. That's an unbroken spirit. Or a repaired one, since you like semantics.

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Other soldiers would have given important information to the Japanese soldiers and would have chosen the life which they showed after that radio broadcast (few even did that). But, he didn't give-up even after getting tortured brutally.

Remember the scene when he gets beaten up first time, he gives wrong info and ask the other guy "phil" also to do the same. They used all tactics but failed to break him.


It was his will power which was unbroken, any other person would have given up quite easily.


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....any other person would have given up quite easily......
...is an opinion, not a fact.

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Agree.
That's why they showed other soldiers who were living lavish life in Japan after doing whatever Japanese wanted them to do.

So, it's a fact that he was unbroken.

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That wasn't my point. You made the blanket statement that "any other person would have given up quite easily".

That's erroneous and insulting. Yes, some (perhaps many) did give up quite easily, but no doubt numerous others didn't give up - numerous others also remained unbroken.

To single out one person as heroic for resisting and stating "any other person" would have given up is an unfounded presumption on your part, and it's an affront to all the other brave prisoners who also didn't give up and also remained unbroken.

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You bring up a good point, and I agree with you. The point of this thread that I started was that the movie didn't not show him as being unbroken, but rather as being very broken. There is a pretty large section of the end of the book that is dedicated to the aftermath of his time as a prisoner of war - the nightmares, the excessive drinking, the verbal abuse of his wife, his financial instability, is inability to stick with any kind of job for every long, etc.

It was very specifically his encounter with Billy Graham that turned his life around. Virtually overnight the nightmares stopped, he quit drinking, and he dedicated his life toward serving others.

I don't think you are a religious nutcase at all. Whether it's truly the hand of God, or the sincerest belief of being touched by the hand of God, that single event changed Zamperini's life forever.

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He was beaten down pretty good. He didn't seem broken though, he knew he would take another beating by Watanabe if he didn't stop looking at him, yet he continued to look. Doesn't seem like a broken spirit to me.

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Zamperini HIMSELF wanted his religion left out of the film, because he wanted the film to relate to as many people as possible, Christian or not.




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Perhaps the title was meant for his sprint record. :)

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It applies to his spirit not his body. In the movie its shown when the bullies push him to the ground, he gets right back up, when he is tripped as he is running he just runs faster, when he is knocked down repeatedly as a prisoner, he always gets back up (even when he knew it was better if he stayed down). Also when he won in the Olympics came from behind. Seems what pushed him to be his best was when he was challenged by his circumstances. That is usually a sign of a strong spirit. In the book he does have a very bad PTSD when he returns home but develops a deep spirituality that he says saved him later on. Even when he wasn't a believer, he had a strong spirit but has an even stronger one when he found god. Think the title refers to he always overcame whatever was traumatizing him through his strong spirit. He also had a pretty positive attitude through everything, he would be that guy that would see the silver lining. He does it often in the movie. Louie always talked about god & faith saved him but after reading his story, and yes the movie, he had those qualities from the beginning. They just got lost for a bit.

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He seemed very "UNBROKEN" to me. He had more courage than a lot of people.

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He seemed 'Unbroken' to me. He was physically exhausted and drained but mentally very strong to endure all that he had. What really brought it home to me was the scene where he lifts the plank of wood over his head and stared and screamed at the Bird defiantly. That scene epitomises all that was unbroken in him. Sure, he suffered problems later on and I think that's natural. I'd imagine it takes a lot of time and help to try and get over all the abuse he suffered but ultimately he was not broken like the Bird wanted him to be, bent maybe but not broken.

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by blubird-1 ยป Sat Sep 26 2015 23:49:08
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It applies to his spirit not his body. In the movie its shown when the bullies push him to the ground, he gets right back up, when he is tripped as he is running he just runs faster, when he is knocked down repeatedly as a prisoner, he always gets back up (even when he knew it was better if he stayed down). Also when he won in the Olympics came from behind. Seems what pushed him to be his best was when he was challenged by his circumstances. That is usually a sign of a strong spirit. In the book he does have a very bad PTSD when he returns home but develops a deep spirituality that he says saved him later on. Even when he wasn't a believer, he had a strong spirit but has an even stronger one when he found god. Think the title refers to he always overcame whatever was traumatizing him through his strong spirit. He also had a pretty positive attitude through everything, he would be that guy that would see the silver lining. He does it often in the movie. Louie always talked about god & faith saved him but after reading his story, and yes the movie, he had those qualities from the beginning. They just got lost for a bit.


Agreed. Good post.

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'Looked' broken - but never mind his appearance; what about his spirit? He took everything they dished out without begging, didn't drop the timber... What more display of defiance do you want?




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Forget about the scene with the timber, and go instead to the scene where he goes up into the Bird's quarters and completely breaks down.

Again, if you read the book, which goes into a good bit of detail about the life he led after he got home, he was broken in a number of different ways - he was spiritually broken as well.

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