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4 things I found unbelievable


1) Why would Magic take this fight? No way he would put his belt on the line for this fight. Unless it was a huge payday or something. I mean I could see if Gyllenhall was the new up and coming boxer, ready to dethrone the champ and make a name for himself, but he wasn't

2) During this "depression" period, Gyllenhall's character puts on no weight, stays incredibly lean, and seemed to just hop back in the ring, literally. U mean he goes from working nights in that gym, to an exhibition fight, then right to a title fight? Albeit just 6 weeks later? I know there was a few minutes in the movie it showed him training, but that was it.

3) Lastly, how was he out of money? That story line wasn't fleshed out all. At the table with 50 & the lawyer, he accuses the lawyer of stealing money, but we don't know how he ran out or was running out of money.

4) In that hotel, with all those witnesses, no one saw the shooting? Saw anyone with a gun? That just doesn't make sense.


Just some plot holes/story lines/occurrences I found odd and/or not believable.


Thoughts?

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Good points all. I didn't like this movie - it felt too rushed and hurried and the wife killing scene just seemed too fake and melodramatic.

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Only four?

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#4 Nobody talks to the cops that is the street rule Tupac refused to tell the cops who shot him

The following description of events differs significantly from what has been reported previously, most notably in the book The Killing of Tupac Shakur by Las Vegas-based author Cathy Scott. Shakur bodyguard Frank Alexander, in his account, says he identified himself and Knight to police, who then let the two men up and allowed them to open the BMW’s door. Carroll dismisses that story, saying there’s no way he would have simply taken Alexander’s word that they were not participants in the shooting, and that he most definitely wouldn’t have let them approach the BMW to open the door. Carroll tells the story of what followed:

“I finally get the car door to open, and as I pull it open, the guy inside came right out, like he was leaning against the door. And at first I thought the guy was going to bust out of the door right on top of me; I thought this was his plan of attack, so to speak. But then I notice that he’s not coming out of the door; he was falling out of it. So I grabbed him with my left arm and he falls into me, and I’ve still got my gun in the other hand. He’s covered with blood, and I immediately notice that the guy’s got a ton of gold on—a necklace and other jewelry—and all of the gold is covered in blood. That has always left an image in my mind.

“I’ve got him in one hand, I’ve got the gun in the other hand, I’m still yelling at the other guys, and I pull him out of the car. Well, right about then, thank God, another bike cop shows up. He was probably the guy who was chasing the cars initially. He gets Suge off my back, because Suge was somewhat of a threat to me; the other guys were kinda listening—some proned out, some on their knees, some standing around.

“The other cop pushes Suge away from me, and I look down at the guy I’m holding: He’s still conscious. I could see he’s shot several times, but I can’t tell where he’s shot. And as I pulled him out of the car, he was wincing in pain. He’s looking at me; he’s groaning. I laid him down on the pavement, and then I looked inside the car to see if there was anybody else in there, but there wasn’t.

Suge Knight outside the hospital a few days after the shooting.
Suge Knight outside the hospital a few days after the shooting.
“After I pulled him out, Suge starts yelling at him, ‘Pac! Pac!’ And he just keeps yelling it. And the guy I’m holding is trying to yell back at him. He’s sitting up and he’s struggling to get the words out, but he can’t really do it. And as Suge is yelling ‘Pac!,’ I look down and I realize that this is Tupac Shakur. At the time, it didn’t really mean much of anything to me. I was more concerned that this was a bad situation to be in with just one other cop.

“There’s something in police work called the ‘dying declaration,’ a legal concept that, in a nutshell, basically says that if someone who believes they’re going to die gives out the name of a suspect or is able to explain what happened, that’s not considered hearsay in court when they’re not there to testify; it’s admissible evidence.

“So I’m looking at Tupac, and he’s trying to yell back at Suge, and I’m asking him, ‘Who shot you? What happened? Who did it?’ And he was just kind of ignoring me. He was making eye contact with me here and there, but he’s trying to yell at Suge. And I kept asking over and over, ‘Who did this? Who shot you?’ And he basically kept ignoring me. And then I saw in his face, in his movements, all of a sudden in the snap of a finger, he changed. And he went from struggling to speak, being noncooperative, to an ‘I’m at peace’ type of thing. Just like that.

“He went from fighting to ‘I can’t do it.’ And when he made that transition, he looked at me, and he’s looking right in my eyes. And that’s when I looked at him and said one more time, ‘Who shot you?’

“He looked at me and he took a breath to get the words out, and he opened his mouth, and I thought I was actually going to get some cooperation. And then the words came out: ‘firetruck you.’ remove the letters iret from firetruck you



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Exaggerated riches-to-rags story.

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I think the "no more money" angle was to show that Hope had no control in managing things in his life. Like he said in the movie, he was just a fighter and it was his wife that did most of thinking for him so it's plausible that after she died, he either mismanaged his finances or his accountant took advantage of his deep pockets and bled him dry. In Rocky V, Rocky and his family also went straight to the poorhouse because Rocky's brother-in-law gave their lawyer power of attorney and he gambled all their money away in a botched investment.

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