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Imagine the billions spent on research creating the monsters....


....just for the purpose of scaring/killing a bunch of damn kids just to see how their brainwaves react. killing Kids, who happen to be one of the rare few who are immune to a apocalypse-level disease.

AKA: This movie made LESS sense than the Resident Evil & Transformers franchises.

Congrats movie! You've reached Super Sayian levels of stupid.

Also.... Glade? Greivers? Flare? This is a movie based on a young adult novel right? Because those terms certainly sound like a couple of silly teenagers came up with them.

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This movie truly was terrible.

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Did you think they were living in 2015? They are far into the future, like Hunger Games and Divergent, but you don't see anyone on those boards complaining about how unrealistic it would be to use technology that doesn't really exist. That would be silly.
This is science fiction, emphasis on fiction (aka fantasy). Imagination is required.



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lol...love your avatar and now I'm going right to Netflix to queue a certain show.

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Did you think they were living in 2015? They are far into the future, like Hunger Games and Divergent, but you don't see anyone on those boards complaining about how unrealistic it would be to use technology that doesn't really exist. That would be silly.
This is science fiction, emphasis on fiction (aka fantasy). Imagination is required.


None of that explains why it would be a good idea to risk the lives of the MOST important people on the entire planet. If they have advanced technology, why not use some kind of VR? Put them in fake danger that they think is real, rather than actually setting up this huge Rube Goldberg machine whose only apparent purpose is to potentially kill these people.

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It doesn't matter what year it is. They built a massive labyrinth, an engineering marvel with moving parts comprised of thousands of tons of rock and steel. They genetically engineered disgusting creatures and modified them with lethal biomechanical appendages. They had a huge staff monitoring the kids in the maze around the clock.

Any society capable of doing those things is also capable of much simpler medical research, which would yield results and wouldn't require billion dollar mazes.

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It's kinda sad when the main premise makes the least sense out of all the plot holes. I liked the movie, but man, would it have been better if the premise actually made sense!

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I thought it was actually one of the better YA films, after recently watching the god awful 5th Wave.

The acting wasnt all that bad, there is no forced romance or love triangle, the story was ok and was wanting to find out more. Except the characters were spoon fed information, they were supposed to work together and information was a key factor in every ones survival but nobody wanted to tell anybody anything, direct questions were ignored and brushed aside, everybody kept everybody in the dark for no good reason.

And that explanation at the ending was just so silly, they are supposed to be building a fully realised believable world and it all comes crumbling down at the end.

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It was in the year 2200 so they probably had advanced quite a bit in form of general technology and mechanics. I doubt money was ever considered an issue, because finding a solution to a serious problem, as pictured in the movie, is way more important.

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Forget money. This project would have required massive amounts of material. Not to mention it's only apparent purpose is to risk the lives of the most important people on the planet.

How is murdering the only people immune to this planet killing disease a solution to anything?

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LOL yeah.


Lose the Game!!!!!!!

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This is exactly my main problem with this movie. These kids are the worlds most valuable resource, being the only ones immune to this disease, and yet they put these extremely important people in harms way.

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Not to mention the fact that we learn at the end, and the next film that the powers that be simply can't afford to rebuild/repair huge cities. But they can afford to make a humungous labyrinth for an overcomplex science experiment with dubious results.

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Exactly. The writers expect us to accept too many things that do not make any sense. These kids are our only hope to cure this disease killing the planet, but hey, let's put them in REAL danger instead of some kind of VR simulation they think is real. Oh, and let's build this huge complex to keep them in, even though we can't repair existing buildings. Oh, and while we're at it, let's genetically engineer some monsters and implant them with cybernetic parts to make it even more dangerous in the complex.

It's an okay movie if you shut your brain off, but when you start putting even a little thought into it, the whole thing just falls apart.

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The writers expect us to accept too many things that do not make any sense. These kids are our only hope to cure this disease killing the planet, but hey, let's put them in REAL danger instead of some kind of VR simulation they think is real.


We're already almost at the point where we can create sperm and ovum from nothing more than a man or woman's DNA sample and some stem cells. Since this film is set in the future, presumably the film geneticists could knock off clones of the immune with no trouble at all.

Given this, Wicked wouldn't aren't really be risking a lot by putting the immune kids in the maze. (A caveat. If the kid's immunity were a consequence of environmental or epigenetic factors, then Wicked really would be playing with the future of humankind in an insanely irresponsible way.)

Unless VR comes an incredibly long way in a smallish period of time, I'm not sure that it'll be indistinguishable from realit - and cheaper - than building a real "lab maze" as Wicked chose to do. VR would have to compute and activate the nerves that control what you see, what you feel, what you hear, smell and taste, and keep them all synchronised.

Then it would have to scan the nerves that activate (say) muscle contractions, so your virtual body could grasp something like a stone, compute the way it feels in your hand, and then intercept your nerve impulses that normally would direct your real hand to throw the stone and model the stone's trajectory so that the virtual you sees a corresponding virtual stone being thrown.

That's a huge programming, computing and design job.

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We're already almost at the point where we can create sperm and ovum from nothing more than a man or woman's DNA sample and some stem cells. Since this film is set in the future, presumably the film geneticists could knock off clones of the immune with no trouble at all.


Okay, so if they can make clones, why don't they make a million of these supposedly special kids? And if they can do that, how are they unable to isolate what exactly makes the kids immune in the first place? This doesn't solve anything, it only amplifies the existing logical problems.

The geneticists are so good they can clone the kids, but they can't isolate what makes them immune? Does that actually make sense to you?

Given this, Wicked wouldn't aren't really be risking a lot by putting the immune kids in the maze. (A caveat. If the kid's immunity were a consequence of environmental or epigenetic factors, then Wicked really would be playing with the future of humankind in an insanely irresponsible way.)


Except this idea isn't a given in the film. It's made up by you after the fact. There's no indication that they can do this anywhere in the movie.

Unless VR comes an incredibly long way in a smallish period of time, I'm not sure that it'll be indistinguishable from realit - and cheaper - than building a real "lab maze" as Wicked chose to do. VR would have to compute and activate the nerves that control what you see, what you feel, what you hear, smell and taste, and keep them all synchronised.


I'm sorry, but you're talking nonsense. Given the technology we KNOW they have in the movie, realistic VR shouldn't be an issue. The only thing holding it back now is processing power. Somehow you think that genetically engineering creatures FROM SCRATCH is easier than creating realistic VR?

Building the maze isn't simply a matter of construction techniques, it's a matter of resources and materials. A lab full of kids in VR is infinitely more cost effective than building this massive structure and ACTUALLY putting humanities last hope in real danger.

Then it would have to scan the nerves that activate (say) muscle contractions, so your virtual body could grasp something like a stone, compute the way it feels in your hand, and then intercept your nerve impulses that normally would direct your real hand to throw the stone and model the stone's trajectory so that the virtual you sees a corresponding virtual stone being thrown.

That's a huge programming, computing and design job.


Really? You should check out what they're doing with prosthetic limbs. We're not as far off as you seem to believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk1NkWl_W2Y

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Okay, so if they can make clones, why don't they make a million of these supposedly special kids? And if they can do that, how are they unable to isolate what exactly makes the kids immune in the first place?


How would having a million "special kids" help with the development of an antiviral agent?

Creating clones is a relatively simple job, but creating antiviral agents is a totally different matter. Viruses mutate, so you're fighting a constantly changing opponent. This is why we still have the common cold and 'flu outbreaks.

As for VR, I've seen what's been done prosthetics, but IIRC they require months of training to learn.

I suppose you could build a pretty bad VR system that wouldn't fool a bat, and then wipe the kids' memories of the real world, so they had no baseline against which they could compare their virtual environment. Shrug.

I'm getting tired of these VR films. For the last thirty years, films have been showing us these VR rigs that plug into your spine, or that use trams-cranial magnetic stimulation helmets, but that actual technology has advanced rather slowly. I don't think we'll see a VR system that's indistinguishable from real life even in another thirty years: computers have stopped getting faster, except for easily parallelizable tasks; general purpose quantum computers are still a long way away, and we've hardly begun building the technology to intercept all the brain's inputs and outputs.

Then there's the problem that much of what our body does (e.g speech) is decided up to a second before you're aware of your 'choice' of words! Worse, many of our 'choices' aren't made in the brain (e.g reflex arcs) so a VR system would also have to monitor and stimulate the entire spinal cord, as well as the brain. I think the whole VR project will prove to be a lot harder than most people imagine.

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The geneticists are so good they can clone the kid..


From several things that you've written, you sound like you believe that human cloning is difficult. Don't forget that Dolly, the sheep, was cloned 20 years ago this year, and that there's no reason to think that sheep are easier to clone than other mammals, including humans.

The obstacles to human cloning are moral, legal and religious ones - not technological! (Most geneticists I know believe that people - insanely wealthy egotists? - have already been cloned, albeit illegally and in secret. I’m pretty sure all the methods required to clone Dolly were published openly, so to clone a person you’d just need a suitable genetics doctor, an IVF specialist, an amoral ObGyn and a general medical doctor.)

Except this idea (of cloning) isn't a given in the film. It's made up by you after the fact. There's no indication that they can do this anywhere in the movie.


Again, I’d be amazed if human cloning wasn’t already possible, and the same can be said of many far more knowledgable genetics researchers.

As I mentioned before, a possible obstacle to the hypothetical cloning solution might be, that clones only acquire immunity by exposure to some unknown environmental factor, at just the right age. In a longer film (or the novel?) the scientists might’ve explained this point.

If this were the case (i.e. the immune kids have to have both the right DNA and be exposed to an unusual environmental factor at the right age) then I’d agree with your post of the 3rd of July: the kids are an incredibly valuable resource and they shouldn’t be exposed to the dangers of the maze.

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P.P.S. This week's New Scientist, or the issue before, reported that artificial and seemingly viable sperm had been made in a lab from just a male human DNA sample.

That's a mighty good start

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I do hate all the silly lingo that comes out of these young adult dystopias.

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