Ashur got shoved out of the ring of fire in the season finale, same as Crixus. Prior to that I don't recall ever seeing him lose in the arena. Thusly:
ALL HAIL ASHUR, THE UNDEFEATED SYRIAN!
Ashur: Champion in his own mind. :)
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His team won and thus he is still undefeated. He never gave missio and no one had to give him the thumbs up.
shareAshur! Phuking victor!
shareHe almost killed Gannicus too. If he had just thrown that spear...
shareThat wouldn't have been the act of a real fighter, but that of a coward. If Ashur had been able to fight Gannicus face to face and took him out, that would be one thing, but spearing the man in the back? No.
sharehey hey hey, whats wrong with being a coward. Sure he could have just stood there and let Ganny win but what would that have done for him, nothing. He knew he didn't have anything to gain from Ganny winning and he knew he couldn't beat Solonius's guy alone, it would have been suicide and only idiots fight battles they know they have no chance of winning. His choice was the best one in his shoes, its just a shame that Crixus was soo single minded about it.
I have always respected Ashur, A guy has to work with the tools he has. So Ashur doesn't have the size or strength of the other gladiators, what he does have that they don't is brains. While their only aspiration is victory in the arena, wine in their stomach and a wench in their bed he is always thinking 5 moves ahead. They pay him for the wine they drink, the wenches they bed and the favors they need. While the gladiators were stuck at the ludus Ashur was out able to go and mingle outside the ludus when on business from his lanista. He was his lanista's right hand man, a heck of alot higher position than he could have got if he had played by the rules and been just like everyone else.
So yea between being a living coward with some power or being an honorable guy with no power and possibly dead or spending the rest of my short life in the mines I choose being the coward.
1. Dagan stabbed a guy in the back in his first arena fight.
2. Agron speared a guy from the back in his first arena fight.
3. Spartacus threw a knife at Crixus' back AND he attempted to stab Oenomaus in the back during his first training lesson.
Ashur is not the only character who is willing to stab other men in the back but he is the only one branded a "coward".
Well Dagan and Agron were protecting their only friend (at the time) and brother, respectively in those cases *beep* not attacking their back. And Spartacus considered Crixus and Doctore his enemies at that moment so he didn't really care.
But Ashur was gonna betray Gannicus, a member of his own team without even letting him know it was coming.
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If you remember Ashur had no respect for Gannicus. He considered him a fool, a talented fool but a fool none the less.
*And Ashur was correct.
If you remember Ashur had no respect for Gannicus. He considered him a fool, a talented fool but a fool none the less.
The problem is, Ashur doesn't respect anyone. So he having no respect for Gannicus is no big deal.
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I have to say I liked the story arc of Ashur in the prequel. He started of as a pretty nice guy. Certainly a bit of an a** kisser but nothing too bad. He really wanted to be a gladiator and gain respect from the other men . The reason why he became such a slimey character was because of Batiatus. He corrupted Ashur when he sent him and the other 2 to beat up Vettius and later when he gave the order for them to recieve the mark without the test. That really screwed Ashur over because he had been working so hard to get the mark and be respected and accepted in the brotherhood only to have it taken away even after the mark was given. So he started claming glories that he had not earned in an attempt to secure his place. He was certainly opportunistic but not really bad until he gave his friend up to that roman out of hurt pride. That was the turning point for him. Certainly a weak person but things could have gone better for him had Batiatus been more respectful of his men.
Also Ashur is not the only one who thinks Gannicus is a fool. Batiatus's father does too ... Gannicus is not really the ideal gladiator, is he? Don't get me wrong. I think he's awsome and couls own Cirxus and Sparty any day but he doesn't really inspire fear and terror when you see him, he's not as intense as Crixus or as beast-like as The Shadow, lol.
He's more like the Bon Jovi of gladiators, lol. He'll greet you with a smile and kill you with one as well. So I guess it makes it harder for people to respect him then someone like Oen, whose all steel and focus.
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The big problem with Gannicus is he has the skill of a great gladiator, but not the mind of one. He constantly gives his opponents a free attack because he is distracted with either showboating for the crowd, or with thoughts of Melitta.
Crixus is flawed to a lesser extent because he does not work well as part of team (notice how he refuses to work with Spartacus during training for the upcoming battle with Theokales as well as part of the real battle itself).
Sparticus and Oenamaus are the best because when it's time to fight, they can keep their emotions and distracting thoughts in check and focus solely on the battle in front of them.
Mainly because he uses such coward approaches many times, he's done it several time in the first season, as well as the prequel.
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Ashur is a schemer, but no coward - he faced two men at least full-on in the arenas and won, especially during the last fight in the Primus? He wasn't afraid or incapable to face or fight, arena or street- just not a champion?
He is more of a politician, like the ultra-scheming Roman nobles?
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ashur is a piece of *beep* a survivor, a schemer. he offered his friend's ass for fking so he could spare himself.
ashur needs ending in spartacus: vengence
ashur is a piece of *beep* a survivor, a schemer. he offered his friend's ass for fking so he could spare himself.
I agree with the first statement. But Ashur offered Dagan's ass because he was bitter; he was insulted and received half the coin for the fight in which Dagan had saved him (although Ashur considered himself victorious). Overall Dagan was becoming a good fighter and Ashur was still hadn't proved himself a gladiator, and so Ashur decided to be a jerk.
"Did you, did you need to hear their death agonies to know your... your omnipotence?"
Ashur fought scrubs and won. He was not that skilled and everyone saw that, but he gained hate because of his schemes.
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Ashur is the most exciting character. When you see him on screen, you know some *beep* about to go down.
shareAshur is a great character. But, as a gladiator, he stank. Now, not being a great fighter is okay; it happens. But what made him so despicable to the other brother gladiators was that he talked the talk but couldn't back it up. He bragged about being a legend one day, about how he could defeat anyone, etc. He took credit for the successes of others. He cheated in otherwise fair combat, such as when he asked Dagan to let him lose on his feet, but stabbed Dagan in the groin and poked out his eye when Dagan dropped his guard. He wanted the respect due a top gladiator despite his inability to actually earn it. That's why they didn't like or respect him.
I know some will say this isn't totally his fault, and that it didn't help him that he was given the mark without taking and passing the test. But Dagan was given the mark without the test, too, but he proved himself in real battles and in training, so they accepted him in a way they wouldn't accept Ashur.
Here's to the health of Cardinal Puff.
Not being a great fighter is not o.k. Not being a great fighter = death in the arena or the mines. Having already a strike against him from receiving the mark without the test, and not being an amazing gladiator, Ashur resorted to cheating to live. His methods weren't exactly honorable, but also can't blame the guy for doing what he could to stay alive.
edit: Also, to be fair, many gladiators bragged they would be legends one day. Ashur genuinely dreamed of being a champion.
"Did you, did you need to hear their death agonies to know your... your omnipotence?"