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F*CK CHINA

posted 3 years ago by Rorikon (17929)
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Top Gun: Maverick has yet to receive a release date for mainland China. The film is coproduced by Tencent Pictures—a subdivision of Tencent Holdings, which owns China’s popular messaging service WeChat. However, the Chinese production company is no longer credited on the film's IMDb page.

I'm glad Tom didn't allow his movie to be influenced by the Chinese. We need to bring patriotism back into America again like they do in China.

"In turn, China’s box office is doing pretty well without foreign films. Last year, the highest-grossing film worldwide was The Battle at Lake Changjin, a Chinese war epic depicting a ferocious battle between Chinese and American troops during the Korean War."

We used to do this with the Russian's until we found out their military is a paper tiger with nukes (thank you Ukraine for exposing their shittiness).

[–] darkpast (8754) 3 years ago

originally , yes. But they said the movie was too pro US , so they took their money back. FUCK THEM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-gun-maverick-loses-chinese-investor-due-to-pro-u-s-messaging-11653643803

[–] Rorikon (17929) 3 years ago

It wasn't based on Tencent per se but they're scared of CCP government since the film was working in conjunction with the US military which would raise flags so they backed off.

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

You two work for the same employer, don't you?

[–] FuttBucker (11) 3 years ago

Thank you Afghanistan exposing US army shittines. The only achievement they made there was teaching Taliban English.

The Russian army has been in Ukraine for only 2 months. Your mighty army spent 20 years in Afghanistan, which had almost no army compared to Ukraine, and failed miserably.

I'm not Russian, but the arrogance sometimes gets my ulcer.

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

I was one of the earlier ones to migrate to this site since IMDB shut down it's forums, and I am retired so I think I spent more time than most people here. But look at the number of my posts, and look at those 2.

I think those 2 are paid to station here, and they posted a lot more political content than about movie and TV shows. Not just these 2, I know quite a few accounts are mostly dedicated to right wing political content instead of talking about entertainment.

@Rorikon I don't think is even American, because I think that username means "pedophile" in Japanese. How many conservative Americans would use a word like that to describe themselves.

[–] BeaSouth (3345) 3 years ago

It is pretty ugly though that a government in 2022 can decide what movies people are allowed to see. And the OP has like 12,000 posts while the guy you’re responding to has 10 posts and reads a lot like a Chinese bot. I mean does he think the lives of Afghan women and schoolgirls have improved now that the Taliban is back in charge? I don’t think they’re celebrating America’s failure in Afghanistan like he seems to be

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

China has quota of foreign films, I think it is 34 per year, but US had that too before Hollywood was fully developed, when there were too many European films in US. It has nothing to do with politics, more to do with developing local film industry. Do you really think a film like this one, at a time like now would be well received by Chinese market, and cinema owners would waste quota on it? To be honest other than European market, which now has a strong anti-Russian sentiment, I don't see this movie performing that well overseas. So I think this is from beginning to end a commercial decision.

Like I said before I don't think that guy is even American, why do you think he promotes hatred between US and China?

Why do we encourage and promote hatred in general?

Also from what I read Taliban was widely supported by Afghan people, there was very little resistance once US army was gone. Why?

Think about it, if they have worse things to say about Taliban, would they be focusing on issues like women's rights? What US & US supported government have done there to make people support Taliban?

So be careful about what media say, read between the lines, most of the time they are telling you narratives instead of the truth. Media are almost entirely controlled by billionaires, they have been controlling people's thoughts, don't let them or this guy use you.

[–] BeaSouth (3345) 3 years ago

I’ll look into what you say. You know I often disagree with you but have respect for what you say. However, I am your 100% ally on your criticism of the American media and their role in the disastrous Iraq war, election fraud, and now Ukraine

[–] Rorikon (17929) 3 years ago

The movie wasn't made for the Chinese market so I wouldn't know why it would play there anyway or have investors like Tencent in it. And why shouldn't it if it were there? The Battle at Lake Changjin was allowed to show in the West so why not Top Gun? It's all to do with politics and nationalism instead of people just enjoying movies for being movies. Obviously the Chinese would hate it because they hate to lose and when they do, cover it up and pretend it never happened (don't you just love the great firewall of censorship?). There is a reason why they use VPN there.

I'm not American, but I feel and breath American and a neighbor next door. I would consider myself American since all I consume is American (and Asian movie/anime) content. You could say I am Chinese so I am very closely associated with Chinese and Western culture. Also, it's not hatred, it's just what China does. Do you not follow the shit they do or are you a shut-in? I don't hate the Chinese people either, just those that support the CCP. Big difference. I have numerous Chinese friends from gaming.

Yeah, so widely supported that they're dying of hunger and begging for outside support after countries paying them withdrew. Now you got them selling their children or kidney's for food. There was very little resistance due to the mounting corruption, you should read up on it. That and the constant attack by the Taliban demoralized the Afghan National Army and the final nail in the coffin was when the US wanted to pull out which made the Afghan army pretty much give up since there was no more air support from the US.

Helps to learn and read and educate yourself if you're so curious as to why.

Yes, be careful what media says, research both sides and then do more research since there isn't one pov. To me it seems you're always trying to defend China's actions as if you're just reading from one side as well, your own side if all you read is China news or whatnot.

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

I am not sure if you are hired by a conservative NGO or a third country just hoping US & China destroying each other, but it is worth repeating what I said below: You are very dedicated to your job, and entirely without shame.

[–] Rorikon (17929) 3 years ago

Again, I am no Conservative, stop lumping me with them. One country is for freedom* and freedom of speech, the other is censorship and punishment for speaking out. These two parities cannot co-exist together, it's that simple. One is for control of a population, the other is more about individualism.

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 3 years ago

>>> The movie wasn't made for the Chinese market so I wouldn't know why it would play there anyway or have investors like Tencent in it <<<

Yes it was. They specifically deleted the Taiwanese flag on Tom Cruise's flight jacket from showing up in the sequel, so the communist chinese overlords paying for this film wouldn't get butthurt about it and refuse to fund the film.

Screw them.

[–] Rorikon (17929) 3 years ago

I don't post as frequent as others. Go check out howsnos with his 90k+ posts and I have been here for 5 years. That is what I call crazy or no life. There are numerous others that have more posts than me or have already caught up to my post count and surpassed me.

[–] BeaSouth (3345) 3 years ago

I was trying make the point to fc31 that the number of your posts shows that you’re a legitimate contributor. In my mind, a poster doesn’t get to 12,000 posts without being capable of discussing a wide variety of topics. I don’t know why fc31 is hammering away on this thread. Nothing you’re saying sounds unreasonable to me.

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

What I was talking about was time spent here. I am retired, and I spent a lot of time here. But other than movies I have other interests, he has to be full time here with nothing else in his life to make that much comments.

Why is he full time here? Majority of his comments are political, so clearly not for the love of movies.

[–] BeaSouth (3345) 3 years ago

I just don’t agree with this fc. I am a free speech person and the whole purpose of this board is open dialogue. And, it includes a politics section for that very purpose or providing a political outlet. When I get tired of politics, I just don’t read it. But I don’t begrudge people who spend their time there or expect them to apologize for it

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

I did not say what I said to shut him up, but to expose him. What I am saying is he says things under false pretenses and with ill intentions.

Like quite a few people on this board they are paid either to promote movies, or worse, politics, especially promoting hatred, that is the kind of people I detest most.

If you know this but simply enjoy what he says then I have no problem. What I am doing is simply to expose what he is.

Also he is promoting politics where it does not belong, there is a politics board. That is why he tried to put some movie related content in his comments, but in the end it is not hard to see what he is doing here.

[–] Rorikon (17929) 3 years ago

I LITERALLY migrated from IMDB after it shutdown. You can literally look at my post history of when I started to post. I had the choice of this forum or another one but I choose this one because it was easier to sign up and I liked the format better.

Those two, who two? You talking about darkpast? I never even seen you post until last year since you rarely post to begin with. We both started 5 years ago. Yeah, I like to engage in politics frequently, so what? When I started out here after IMDB it was mostly TV and movies until politics drew me in, again, look at post history.

I'm not Conservative, stop lumping me with those fools. The name derives from Lolita (also a movie) and was in relation to anime. Simple as that.

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

The name derives from Lolita (also a movie) and was in relation to anime. Simple as that.

Yes, it means "pedophile" in Japanese.

[–] Rorikon (17929) 3 years ago

It's used jokingly, in implying such a tendency, or even in the girlfriend is much younger than they expect. Some things just fly over peoples head. It was also my old IMDB name so I kept it.

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

Keep changing narratives as you go, very professional. Your messages are kind of crude and primitive, but I guess no shame does help.

[–] Rorikon (17929) 3 years ago

The only thing they failed in was the pullout of Afghanistan lead by two horrible leaders back to back.

Russian military 2 months in (suppose to be a week or two), still going but couldn't even take Kyiv (withdrew from the north) and many other parts of Ukraine while having a much more powerful and superior military including troops. Along the way losing numerous generals, flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, thousands of troops dead, suppression of news and information for propaganda, and get arrested for saying invasion (not special military operation) or against the invasion, lawl.

I'll give you the spending 20 years there part. You're right, they shouldn't have spent all those years there for regime change reconstruction. Any invading nation there would've ended the same, look at the Soviet Union as a prime example. Should've done the job, gotten Bin Laden, and left which would be just 10 years there. They were only there to keep security of the current corrupt Afghan government sadly. This is what corruption does to a nation, any nation. Now their women are crying for Democracy as they lose everything.

You're not Russian, but you sound like a sympathizer.

[–] fc31 (5476) 3 years ago

Now their women are crying for Democracy as they lose everything.

You just keep pushing propaganda, and entirely without shame. Very dedicated to your job, I will give you that.

[–] Rorikon (17929) 3 years ago

Go tell the Afghan women that then. Need a plane ticket there?

[–] FuttBucker (11) 3 years ago

This guy has a direct line with Afghan women lol

[–] old3eyes (331) 3 years ago

And remind me how many Years we're the Russians in Afghanistan, achieving nothing and then pulling out like the US did?