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Is there a reason for why the bible is illegal?


Its odd, the bible being apparently illegal in the US Reich and in the Japanese controlled states.

Is there a reason why? Its a bizzare thing.

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Unless there's something in season 2 (which I haven't watched yet), I don't recall anything about the Bible being illegal in the Pacific States. The Bible (or at least unexpurgated versions of it) was illegal in the German-dominated part of the US and German agents in the Neutral Zone would also harass or target sellers of Bibles there. That's presumably based on the fact that in real life the Nazis produced an edited version of the Bible that purportedly eliminated all the "non-Aryan" parts from it. In real life, the Nazis didn't really get started on that project until the 1940s, so they didn't have much time to roll it out. But, had the Nazis won the war, it's not unreasonable to think they would have pursued that project to it's logical end.

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Crain says they are illegal in the pacific states and that she hasnt seen one since she was a child.

Thanks for reminding me about the "Positive Christianity myth" though, completely forgot that was a thing, and it explains a lot. Wierd though, I recently watched Fury, which is basically if Belton Cooper's alternate history books were reality (and *beep* because of it) and now I watch this which has the PC thing as if it was actually real.

Wierd coincidence to randomly happen onto a couple of things with fringe theorists as historical consultants.

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I know its odd. Perhaps it is because they don't like the religion or maybe the Japanese are just conforming to what the Nazis believe as to not be destroyed.

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i could see it being banned in the pacific states since the Japanese would want to kill any type of hope among a conqured people.

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I would imagine the Bible would have been illegal in both because it is the "Word" for three of the Earth's major faith groups: Jews, Muslims, and Christians (Catholics, Greek Orthodox, and Protestants).

While Muslims have the Quran as their primary "Word", they hold the Old and New Testament in very high regard with many knowing it better than multitudes of average Christians with sporadic attendance or in name-only knowing the Bible. Muslims are normally more faithful to the daily practice of their faith than the other groups I mention.

The Reich and the Japanese government in TMITHC time has Hitler and the Emperor as gods on Earth, IMO, no others would be legally, spiritually, or otherwise be allowed. It was interesting to see Frank's Jewish friend using a Torah, yet it was done very carefully and probably hidden afterwards.

I am a follower of Jesus, yet seldom call myself a Christian now. In the past eighteen months radical Christians in America have done, have done, and will demonstrate scary, hateful, and appalling behavior some or much of the time. Others will be blamed in the classic "you made me do it" that irresponsible people use everyday.

Vile, destructive behavior from people who name the God of the Bible as their supreme leader have little or no genuine understanding of Yahweh or Jesus Christ.

IMO, it is the same with radicalized Muslims who spread terror through claiming Muhammad made them do it.

Thanks for asking this question!

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The Reich and the Japanese government in TMITHC time has Hitler and the Emperor as gods on Earth, IMO, no others would be legally, spiritually, or otherwise be allowed.


If you learn even a little about Japanese religion you'll learn that it is not a monotheism. Yes, the Emperor was considered to be a deity. One of a vast number. Nobody was expected to worship the Emperor to the exclusion of the millions of other deities. Don't try to make it Christianity with the Emperor replacing God--it doesn't work like that. To a traditional Japanese exposed to Christianity God and Jesus are just two more Kami. If they want you to worship them by singing hymns in church it's no big deal. Of course traditional Christians can't have this.

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Its odd, the bible being apparently illegal in the US Reich and in the Japanese controlled states.

Nobody was expected to worship the Emperor to the exclusion of the millions of other deities. Don't try to make it Christianity with the Emperor replacing God--it doesn't work like that.


My answer to the OP's questions was to simply provide my speculation of why the Reich and Japanese of the alternate world view after their WW would make the Bible illegal. I have not read the book, yet from what I have read of Amazon using if as a stepping stone for their story, my extrapolation is focused on that question in particular and looking at the world going into that time (re TMITHC novel/TV show) in general. It was not mean to be a conclusive statement of the world today.

My statement of personal belief was a reflection on a similarity between the story and some current events. along with the challenges that very narrow thinking brings into play.

Yes, I know what present day Japanese religious views mean in the acceptance of other faiths. Thanks. 



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Not sure why you state that the Bible provides hope. Seems more like 'grit your teeth and bear your situation and conform, it gets better after you die (maybe)'.

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Not sure why you state that the Bible provides hope. Seems more like 'grit your teeth and bear your situation and conform, it gets better after you die (maybe)'.


Or "so you die in battle, so what, you'll end up in a better place than this".

Read the Old Testament. Awful lot of smiting going on there for a book about accepting defeat.

Funny how many leaders in the Civil Rights movement in the US and South Africa were preachers of one kind or another. I guess Desmond Tutu and Martin Luther King were all about conforming.

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Heinrich Himmler had an obsession with ancient Aryan religions, such as the Nordic beliefs of Scandinavia, etc. He toyed with the idea of creating some sort of Nazi religion mixing the beliefs of National Socialism with the ancient Nordic beliefs. Hitler was not a big fan of it though, and tolerated a certain amount of Christian things such as Christmas. If the Nazis had won the war, however, and expanded into a huge empire, Hitler may have warmed up to the idea of a Nazi religion to help unite the far-flung members of the Reich. So, of course, the Bible would have been in the way of such plans, and thus was banned.

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Religion divides loyalties.

The Nazis would want glory going to Hitler & Japan would want glory going to the Emporor.

If this is Locke, then who's in there?

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The Nazis would want glory going to Hitler & Japan would want glory going to the Emporor.


So the Japanese would have forbidden worship of Amenominakanushi, Izanagi, Izanami, Inari, Hichiman, the ujigami, and all the myriad other Kami? I don't think that would have gone over very well.


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That would be related to Shinto so I'm mot sure how this is related to what I said.

The Bible may have a far wider reach across the territories it controlled which would likely have the most resistance.

Plus we have no idea what else they would have been banned. However, I imagine whatever the Japanese were OK with during the war, they were OK with afterward.

If this is Locke, then who's in there?

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I thought the Nazis were pretty anti-Christian in a way? Not against the observances that actually derived from Pagan practices, such as Christmas trees, but against Christian doctrine which is based in the Bible. Because it represented a distinct ethos from Nazism, an ethical stance that contradicted it.

I noticed that in the funeral scene. No crosses, just swastikas, yet it was a church and the service was sort of a similar to a church funeral. That's like going to a funeral at a church or synagogue or whatever and seeing an American flag everywhere you would expect a cross or star of david or other religious symbol to be. It's weird and jarring.

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Jesus was a jew, that´s why that christianity would probably be illegal under a Nazi regime, if they had won the war.

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To prop up Christian victim mentality. If it were accurate, the makers of the film would get less money. Christians are offended by the truth, and a huge amount of people that watch the film are Christian. (Christians routinely claim Nazis were atheist)

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