So much smoking...


i thought Hitler started the world's first anti-smoking campaign? and aren't the Japanese very health conscious? also, wasn't it America's Hollywood movies in the 50s-70s that glorified smoking? i understand if the resistance smoke as a form of defiance, since they have this "dare-to-die" attitude anyway. but why are high ranking officials all smoking as if they're 1950s Americans?

now, i get that cancer research may not be as advanced, since the Nazis prefer the um, pre-emptive solution (aka eugenics). even if the American tobacco companies were smothered out of existence, i guess there are still European and Japanese brands. i may also be wrong about how popular smoking is in Japan in the 60s, without American influence.

i know my historical context is probably incomplete, please fill me in where i've fudged things... but even as a smoker myself, i'm just kinda annoyed at the amount of smoking in the series.

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Ah! But in the alternate universe, smoking doesn't cause cancer!

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yea, that's exactly how scientific studies work. they almost never predict 100% cancer rates. there will always be smokers, who for reasons yet undiscovered, seem completely unaffected by the harmful chemicals produced in smoking.

i have a feeling that there may be ways to smoke while managing the effects of carcinogens, free radicals and other mutagens. but since big tobacco doesn't want to further tarnish their products, and anti-smoking campaigners would prefer people quit altogether, the "smoke moderately and understand how to improve your resistance against cancer" camp seems entirely non-existent. even vapes get demonised both ways: as a dangerous unregulated product which could explode in your pants, and as a tobacco-replacement with uncertain carcinogenic rates.

can i say it's the american penchant for polarised debate? it's almost always either-or, never somewhere-in-between.

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I believe that they still don't have a clue about what makes a cell go rogue. So it would seem they also have no idea why certain environmental factors would effect some and not others.

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bro did you just use an example of someone you know for proof that smoking isn't bad for you?

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Back in the early 1960s, the connection between lung cancer and smoking had yet to be proved (thanks to the determined doctoring and suppression of evidence by the tobacco companies) and it was far more widespread than it is today, to the extent that so many people did it that it was seen as being perfectly normal. As one who grew up in the 50s and 60s, the amount of smoking in the show doesn't seem at all excessive to me for the time.

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that may be true in america, but didn't Hitler already start the world's first anti-smoking campaign? or is that one of those myths that just gets spread around the internet haha...

also, in MITHC, the american companies were presumably decimated, so uhhh they can't exactly suppress any research :P

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In 1929 Dr. Franz Linkin recognized the connection between smoking and lung cancer leading to an anti-smoking campaign in Nazi Germany.

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ooh, the doctor who inspired Linkin Park? haha. j/k, thanks for the name!

either way, wikipedia actually has an entire article on the subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany

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Wouldn't surprise me. Hitler didn't smoke or drink. He was a vegetarian. His diet was so bad it might have caused his psychotic behavior. If you ate what he ate every day for years you'd want to kill people too.

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Let's take it as a granted that Americans were heavier smokers in the 30s to 40s. If the Nazis won WWII, they would impart many aspects of Nazism and the German aesthetic into American society. However, its unlikely that they could remove all aspects of American society from culture to habits. Its more likely that the Nazis choose which aspects of American life, history and culture that were most important to remove to preserve the Nazi identity with limited to no resistance. Smoking is probably an aspect that was not important and permitted rather than creating another layer of prohibition that they'd have to police when its existence has no to minimal impact on their social reprogramming of American society.

As a result, smoking as a habit continued in this alternative history continuity in a manner consistent with that of reality in 1950s/1960s America.

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Yeah tell me about it.

I'm not kidding. I just started quitting smoking two weeks ago and watching this show. It's really bad for someone quitting, plus all the red wine and good food. This show gives me major munchies...

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Not really. Smoking was normal in the 60's, even in the doctors office lol.... Plus ever go to Asia like Japan, South Korea or Japan? people smoke like chimneys...

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Right, but that's not what the OP asked. He's talking about the show. The show takes place in an alternate timeline. Therefore anything that 'actually' happened after the Allies won the war is absolutely irrelevant.

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So much smoking today even but just not on tv. Get over it hunny. Smoking has been around for since the beginning of time. Smokers know it's bad for them the same as you know eating that quarter pounder with cheese with stop your heart. Lol!!!!!!

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I grew up in New York City during the 60s. Most of my family members smoked like chimneys. There were cigarette ads everywhere... roadside billboards, newspapers, tv commercials, the TV guide itself. My grandmother used to clip cigarette coupons from Good Housekeeping and Family Circle magazines. Actors on the silver screen and on television smoked. Talk show hosts and their guests smoked. One of my older cousins (a rare non-smoker) used to complain about one of her college professors who smoked as he lectured, and many of her fellow students smoked as they took notes, so she and her clothes always reeked of cigarette smoke. To me it seemed as if 8 out of 10 people were smokers in the 60s, and they smoked everywhere... cars, airplanes, bars, restaurants, workplaces, the beach, funeral homes. The seats in movie theaters had ashtrays built into them, as did scoring tables in bowling alleys. My pediatrician smoked in his office. There were no warning messages on cigarette packs back then, so most people believed the only drawback to heavy smoking was waking up congested and coughing their heads off. These days smoking is the exception, but in the 60s it was actually the norm.

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