Maybe I missed an explanation, or don't remember it. Why doesn't the show explain the Soviet's place in all of this? In the world maps at the end of S2 there is basically just "grey" areas. One of the main reasons Germsny was defeated in WWII was because Hitler decided to fight on two fronts and couldn't handle the Russian cold. How does the show explain away the Soviet's involvement in the story?
shareThe Soviets lost. Their lands up to the Urals conquered. They've shown maps of the world numerous times. Were you paying attention or playing with your phone?
shareThe Ussr was defeated. They're just as mentally defeated as the US is. They've been stripped of all their military and resources.
shareyou know there's a nice way to do that, yes?
shareI'm not sure if the Nazi's nuked the Brits, French or the Russians in this universe or if the rest of the Allies just folded when they nuked Washington..
I do remember in one of the episodes they did mention that Stalin was executed though..
The Nazi plan was to murder or cleanse most Slavs, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles... The genocide of the Jews was merely the pilot project. If the Nazis really had won the war few would talk about the Jews because that atrocity would drown in the horror in the East. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
Few are aware of how evil the Nazi empire really was and how lucky the survivors were that it was stopped so early on.
There are only hints what has happened in the world of The Man in the High Castle, but it seems that the plan was carried out, at least in part. The Nazis would likely only turn on Japan after the project had reached some stable point.
Imperial Japan would be oriented towards colonisation and domination rather than genocide, with a particular focus on China. Even though they had no qualms about mass atrocities either, it would be more like the Belgians in Congo rather than systematic extermination. The Asian subjects would face the choice between the hated Japanese and the genocidal Germans, and with Russian refugees they would be well aware of what was going on.
Few are aware of how evil the Nazi empire really was and how lucky the survivors were that it was stopped so early on.
Maybe Russia doesn't exist in this alternate universe. That would make Germany winning WWII 1/2 as impossible.
shareOf course it doesn't exist. The Nazis wiped it out!
*beep* me, some of you people are really dense. Read a book!
It clearly existed. When Joe Blake told Juliana that he saw a propaganda reel of Stalin, they both knew who that was.
shareIt appears that they are in the same place as the US. Germany owns a big portion of it, Japan has the coastal area on the east. Siberia is the neutral zone.
shareThey even mention nuking the cities on the eastern coast e.g Vladivostok, which is part of the Japanese empire.. This is in the phase 1 of the planned nazi strikes in the final episode.
shareIn the book, the Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbor because President Roosevelt was assassinated by Giuseppe Zangara (in reality, he failed). The Republicans were voted into power and if you know your history, the Republicans were isolationist in the 1930’s. USA never cut off Japan’s oil supply, so Japan never attacked Pearl Harbor. When Hitler was bogged down in Stalingrad, he called on Japan and since Japan didn’t worry about America, they launched a full scale invasion of eastern Russia, so the Russians couldn’t send reinforcements to Stalingrad--it was enough for the Germans to push through and take Moscow. This is the main reason why Hitler always honored the Axis Pact with Japan because he knew they saved him from Stalingrad. After the war, most of Russia became a giant park where all Slavs were stripped of technology and industry and made to live like Indians.
shareAnd this is why the US should elect Democrats. Everyone be afraid. Be very afraid.
I'm not joking.
Isolationism worked out very well for us. We got to come in at the last minute and save the world. I wish we were isolationist now instead of going around bombing everybody.
shareIsolationism is what brought the Roman Empire to its demise; countries are like animals in the wilderness, predators survive better.
shareA) Who knows? That was so long ago its impossible to say.
B) Why do people always talk about the fall of the Roman Empire like it was a failure? It was the longest lasting empire the world has ever seen. It lasted either 1000 or nearly 2000 years depending how you look at it.
that's true, just like any living organism you can say it died of "old age"; and in doing so it imploded into isolationism but it might have been just coincidence, who knows if it was the cause, the effect, or just incidental occurrence.
shareThe Roman Empire weren’t “isolationist,” even before their fall, they were controlling North Africa, eastern Middle East, parts of Asia Minor. The Roman Empire was old, convoluted and filled with bureaucracy. Isolationism is what killed ancient China. When the Romans were still a Greek colony and fighting the Etruscans for their freedom to become “Roman,” the Chinese were already a country and trading with the Greeks. Even before the Romans, when the Ancient Egyptians were at their peak, the Chinese were already the kings of Asia. China was wealthier than Rome and when they eventually killed the Huns and drove the Huns out of Asia and into Eastern Europe (Attila the Hun), they fought off the Mongols and made peace with the neighboring Asian countries; China had peace for hundreds of years. It made them weak, it made them lazy, and it put them at the mercy of the Europeans who were hungry for world domination when the Chinese were full.
shareYou are very right and your assessment validates my point. However I realize my error, Time fell due to different factors
shareThe logic of WW2 is unassailable. You can't pretzel your way to a scenario that ends up in "The Man in the High Castle".
shareI look at it as a completely separate but parallel universe where many institutions and people that existed in ours existed there too, but any number of details not specifically mentioned as being the same could be radically different.