Hitler was PRO bible, PRO Jesus. No? - The Man in the High Castle (2015) Discussion

[–] umme4uke 8 years ago

Which episode was the bible banned in? Are you sure it's not the Japanese Empire banning the bible in the Pacific States?

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[–] annlevtex 8 years ago

All I saw was the one guy conducting Jewish services in secret and the funeral for the doctor being kind of religiously antiseptic. There were swastikas instead of crosses and the sermon was just kind of a eulogy and and about the Reich, not God or faith.

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[–] umme4uke 8 years ago

Yea, it makes sense that Judaism is banned but not Christianity. The first Reich was the Holy Roman Empire, so it would be strange for the 3rd Reich to not be based on the same faith.

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[–] Jln_ot 8 years ago

I also noticed that.
Since the episode where the man that Jullianna killed was reading the bible in the restaurant and asked jul if she knew the book and she dinied it, and then the mariscal tell the librarian that the bibles r prohibited, I was shocked.
Maybe, like the nazis and japaneses are the bad guys, they do not want to relate the christianity to them.

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 8 years ago

No, Hitler was not pro Christian. He didnt like Christianity and viewed it as a Jewish infuenced religion.

But the Nazis couldnt really move against Chrisianity because Germans as a whole were Christians and would have pushed back.

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[–] Jln_ot 8 years ago

Ok. But still like you said if they banned christianity most of the people would had pushed back.
But maybe there are things in the serie that haven`t been xplained for a perpouse, like maybe the nazis know something that can damage them because of the information that the tapes give them.
For example in season 1 ep 9 jul and frank see the video from the future where joe kills frank, and in ep 10 Hitler knew rudolph was there to kill him, and had a lot of tapes, so I think he saw it in one of the tapes.

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 8 years ago

My explanation would be that the Nazis could get away with it in their colonies in America when they couldnt back home.

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[–] Jln_ot 8 years ago

Ok. But still like you said if they banned christianity most of the people would had pushed back.
But maybe there are things in the serie that haven`t been xplained for a perpouse, like maybe the nazis know something that can damage them because of the information that the tapes give them.
For example in season 1 ep 9 jul and frank see the video from the future where joe kills frank, and in ep 10 Hitler knew rudolph was there to kill him, and had a lot of tapes, so I think he saw it in one of the tapes.

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[–] umme4uke 8 years ago

Perhaps the original Bible is banned because it contains Judaism in the Old Testament and the Nazi copy is only allowed to contain the New Testament and Revelations.

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[–] Rheli 8 years ago

Perhaps the fact that the Reich won the war gave the regime so much prestige that they were able to move forward on some things like changing the religion and made that stick.

As a rule when you mix genres in a movie you're in trouble. --William Goldman

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[–] umme4uke 8 years ago

Considering the first and second Reich were Christian, it doesn't really make sense for the 3rd Reich not to be. As I understand Hitler was an agnostic occultist - interested in all things supernatural but not specifically of any religious denomination. His senior staff had a variety of religious beliefs but Germany was over 90% Christian at the time.

I think it was only the Old Testament the Nazis rejected, because of it's roots in Judaism, not the entire Bible. The New Testament paints the Jews as a pretty despicable, so being that Nazis are anti Jew, why would they reject it?

Rejecting Revelations wouldn't make sense either because that is mostly based on the Proto Indo European forerunner to the Ragnarok, which was part of the paganism Germanic people's believed until the Holy Roman Empire took over.

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 8 years ago

The Nazis did have a lot of different beliefs on Christianity and some of them rooted their antisemitism in old Christian traditions which disparaged the Jews as "Christ killers" but the more Hitlerian ones tended to be atheists or at least non Christians. The Nazis ultimately wanted a nationalist cult with the state as the ultimste source of morality, not the church.

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[–] isabellaxxac 8 years ago

Erm, Hitler was Christian. If you read his book Mein Kamf (his OWN words) he mentions God and Christianity in there and especially the word "Lord" almost in every chapter ,
He was also a fan of Martin Luthers (a German priest) writings

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[–] johntex9 8 years ago

No,he wasn't. He despised both Christianity and Judaism, the former because he felt it weakened the Aryan spirit. Hitler did not believe in a God,but used the concept to promote the a more unified Nazi Germany.

Check out how many Christian leaders and Jehovah Witnesses were sent to the concentration camps.

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[–] isabellaxxac 8 years ago

Why would he use words such as I put my faith in the Lord etc
I'm Not saying he was religious but he did support and quote Martin Luther a German pastor - please research it

Interestingly, he did make a few good comments about Islam. I do believe he his his religious views because the bible was pro- Jewish

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[–] isabellaxxac 8 years ago

Hid*

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (68218491) 8 years ago

Hitler wanted power, and he'd say anything to deceive and manipulate people. You really can't take those quotes at face value.

The Christian churches were powerful possible obstacles in his way and their following had to be deceived. Once Hitler had the power, he did anything to cut back their influence.

Hitler was not at all about faith. He cared for his own power and ideology.

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[–] TeraisaWrites 8 years ago

Hitler was like a lot of the parents from the 1960's, for instance: do as I say, not as I do.

Seems even if he was a man who doesn't smoke, etc. that he sure loves his drugs. He never wanted to kick his addiction as far as I know. His addiction may have been responsible for a paranoia much of his country and other countries tapped into destroying more than ten million people worldwide.

UGh so weird. Nothing he does and says ultimately makes sense when putting words and actions together.

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[–] Dave-R011 8 years ago

He was also Pro bible and Pro Catholicism.

No. he thought Christianity still had too many Jewish elements and considered tyhe Church to be a rival power centre that , at best, needed to be kept under close scrutiny. Personally, he stopped going to Church before the First World War.

The show shows the "Pro-Reich" characters as chain smoking, meat eating, and not afraid of a drink peoples

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Hitler may have been a non-smoker, mostly vegetarian, and a light drinker, but so long as people were not doing these things literally right in front of him, he didn't care.

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 8 years ago

That may be overstating it a bit. The Nazis did have a state sponsored anti smoking campaign which encouraged people to stop smoking. I dont think that they promoted vegetarianism but they did promote clean living in general. Its just that Hitler was pragmatic when it came to what he asked of the German people. There wasnt a lot of point in trying to.force them to immediatley adopt all the personal habits which he felt were best.

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[–] clong-rsn 8 years ago

Hitler was not a Christian, in fact he resented the religion for numerous reasons. The Jewish aspect like some mentioned, it's opposition to its ideals and because of its "meekness" per Inside the Third Reich. He did appreciate it as a political commodity, however. But believe you me, had this whole third reich thing worked out the church would eventually have been sacked as well. Goebbels and Himmler were into the occult and mysticism than Judeo-Christian beliefs. Also, see Martin Bormann, that's all you need to know.

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[–] suvrmart 8 years ago

Yes, you're missing world and Judeo-Christian history.

Hitler most definitely did not like Catholics. He let Christianity go on, as other posters have said up thread, because a lot of Germans practiced it. However, some in his camp (as noted in the Amazon Prime "liner notes" in season 1) felt Christianity was antithetical to nazism. I'm never one to agree with nazis, but they got this one right. You can't exactly believe in doing onto others as you would have them do onto you and then exterminate people arbitrarily.

Fascism and nazism are both big old houses of cards built on lies and hypocrisy anyway. These horrible, horrible human beings had to separate church from state in the most clear way. You can't have people following two masters, now can you?

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