I'm sure. I find it interesting there's no LGBT characters. I'm not sure how they would handle it. I figured during that acid orgy in Germany there might be one or two. I haven't finished season two.
shareI think in that society, it was never thought that anyone could be gay and it might possibly have been treated as a mental defect. I found that odd too.
shareIts kinda a waste not to have a gay man on this show.
Would be a interesting take to maybe have him as one of the Nazis.
It wasn't just Jews killed in the holocaust - after the final solution was brought into effect, a lot of Poles, disabled persons and homosexual persons were also killed. It's safe to assume the 3rd Reich was opposed to homosexuality, as were the 2nd and 1st Reichs. Therefore it makes sense there are no homosexuals in any area under German control in the show.
I'm not sure what stance Imperial Japan had on homosexuality?
You say:
Therefore it makes sense there are no homosexuals in any area under German control in the show.
Well yea, people would suppress orientations not approved by their society on fear of death.
shareThe only gay people in hat show would be closeted.
However, the dude who plays the antique dealer talks like that in all of his parts so I wouldn't assume anything regarding his orientation.
If this is Locke, then who's in there?
In related news, according to the 5-alarm gaydar that goes off so hard it makes me lightheaded every time he's on screen, the actor who plays Thomas is gaying up the show enough for everyone, with plenty left over for any spinoffs.
And I'm flabbergasted that 21st Century Tony Randall, who plays Mr. Childen, purports to be straight in real life. I'm not buying it.
LOL. I mean, I don't know about Thomas and I wouldn't even want to speculate at this point, but that made me laugh.
shareMaking presumptions about a person's sexual orientation by your opinion of how
they should behave is asinine. That actor is who he is, regardless of how you think he should present.
Just make a movie that makes me care, one way or another. I'm open.
Brennan Brown (Childan) is as straight as they come but I guess in your mind being eloquent is just the same as 'talks like a fag'. You might want to get that gaydar serviced, it sounds as though it's broken.
shareIt's amazing to me, the assumptions people make. Stupid assumptions.
Just make a movie that makes me care, one way or another. I'm open.
Nah. "Talks Like A Fag" would be Childen's Native American name. He's clearly a rice queen. (Have you seen the show?)
share@Heretico:In related news, according to the 5-alarm gaydar that goes off so hard it makes me lightheaded every time he's on screen, the actor who plays Thomas is gaying up the show enough for everyone, with plenty left over for any spinoffs.
This is effing hilarious! I love the way you've worded this. Fan-freakin-tastic, and very true! :)
This just in!
Childan and Ed get stoned out of their gourds and nature follows its course! Thanks to the Land O' Smiles and, well geeze, just look how they're giggling and stuff -- you just KNOW what happens next!
See how they look at each other?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740299/mediaviewer/rm2140551680
OF COURSE they're gay, duh! (Not that there's anything wrong with that ...)
Brevity is the soul of wit.
While I agree that he's sort of playing the role as possibly gay, you have apparently not seen Brennan Brown as FBI Agent Donnelly in Person of Interest. He talked and acted nothing like this in that role so no, he doesn't do it in all of his parts.
It ain't the Ganges, but you go with what you got." ~ Ken Talley, "The Fifth of July"
The Nazis were relatively progressive about homosexuality. Certainly more progressive than the United States. Nazism was essentially founded by a homosexual, Ernst Röhm, and a huge proportion of the leadership of the SA was gay. But while Röhm believed homosexuals were actually superior to everyone else, Hitler took a far more conservative view. Hitler was a progressive who didn't have any stuffy moral objections to homosexuality and worked side by side with openly gay men for years, but he felt Röhm's veneration of homosexuality and carrying on in public was simply too much.
Simple power politics eventually solved the conflict. Röhm was a revolutionary who believed the German Army needed to be replaced by the SA. Hitler needed the German Military for his planned invasion of the Soviet Union. So when the German Military told Hitler it was either us or Röhm, Hitler had Röhm and his associates executed. Röhm's homosexuality was used to discredit him in the eyes of the public after the fact (though it had nothing to do with his actual execution) and government policy moving forward was more in line with Hitler's more traditionalist view which was no worse than anywhere else in the world at that time. Overall, it was slightly better to be gay in Nazi Germany than 1930's America. In both nations you could get jailed for sodomy, but from a social standpoint gays were tolerated more by the Germans.
It's true that the attitudes of many Germans toward LGBTQ people became more progressive in the 1920s and early '30s, Hitler included. But in the mid-'30s and throughout the war, Hitler scapegoated gay men in particular just as he did Jews, gypsies, etc., just to stir up his followers and gain more power.
About 100,000 men were arrested by the Nazis between 1933 and 1945 for sodomy, and most of those men were sent to concentration camps where they were beaten, starved, shot, died horribly of disease, etc. No one knows the exact numbers, but certainly many tens of thousands of them died there.
America was certainly no paradise for gays at that time either, but there's just no comparison between the persecution and dangers faced in the U.S. during those same years and the widespread horrors and death that the Nazi regime, under Hitler's direct orders, inflicted on so many.
@NeverEclipsed
Hahahaha! "Acid orgy." Totally hilarious and fitting name for that scene.
:)
Every show doesn't need a gay character. Stop being goofy.
shareSeriously, it is just now occurring to me that this could be a difficult line to walk for the show runners.
This show does a good job of shining a light on the many faults of the Nazis, the leading power of the world, what with the disregard for civil rights and basic inhumanities (I shouldn't have to enumerate the various flaws and cracks we're seen, right down to Smith's bad genes and the trouble that's caused his family).
So how do they show homosexuality in a healthy way?
If they portray the relatively open homosexuality in the upper Nazi ranks, would that be viewed as something the show is depicting as yet another fault in the superior race's dream?
I can hear the comments now: "This show shines a negative light on homosexuality: degeneracy!"
Instead, they could try to represent it as something has beautiful as Frank's art, which is itself described as something degenerate in the show.
But either way they go, it would be easy to misconstrue for some.
Brevity is the soul of wit.