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So are black people allowed in The Japanese Pacific States?


I could not quite get my head around to racial rules of The Japanese Pacific States. So Jews within the The Japanese Pacific States are allowed to live and work but have they're rights restricted. But the are OK with black people? Normally if you hate one you hate the other. Is there a reason the Japanese government hates Jews in this world? Is it a political agreement they have with the Nazi Government?

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The Nazis were extremely paranoid about Jews. Jews were supposed to be inferior in the sense of incapable of creating an original civilization but at the same time dangerously good at infiltrating and subverting Aryan civilizations.

Read anything Nazis or neo-Nazis say about the Jewish people. The power attributed to them is amazing. It's barely distinguishable from the rantings of crazies who think the world is secretly run by extraterrestrials.

In the world of the show, the Nazis have pressured the Japanese into killing or turning over anyone in their territory who turns out to be Jewish. To the Japanese, they're just another white ethnicity and they'd probably prefer to treat them as such, but it's not worth risking war to protect them.

Still, they are typically lax at enforcing these laws which offend and worry them since they are a reminder of the genocidal racism of the Nazis which could easily be turned on them.

Black people and other groups who are neither white nor Japanese living under Japanese rule wouldn't be seen as an immediate threat by the Nazis. There would be no pressure on the Empire to treat them any particular way as long as they were kept out of the Reich. The Japanese have no ridiculous goal of being the only people left on earth, they just want to rule.

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Sounds about right. Except the Japanese were very ethnocentric and racist against pretty much everyone else. They didn't commit systematic genocide the way the Nazis did, but they didn't hesitate to kill anyone in their path during the war. American POWS were far more likely to die in Japanese camps than in Nazi ones, for example. No comparison.

But you're right that the Nazis were paranoid as Hell about the Jews. I remember the scene in Schindlers List where the Rafe Fiennes character is trying to get Schindler out of trouble for kissing a female Jewish worker at his birthday party. He starts with saying the girl was very good-looking, then offers money, then when that doesn't work, finally says "these Jews cast a spell on you" as though she MADE him kiss her through witchcraft or some nonsense.

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They are. The black dude is roaming freely in San Francisco. However, it seems they are on the very low rung of society or the show simply isn't terribly diverse.

I don't remember seeing any black people in NYC.

If this is Locke, then who's in there?

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Well, they talk about "negro culture" (rock 'n roll, blues, jazz etc) so there must obviously have been enough left for it to exist in any meaningful way. It's probably more due to casting of the extras etc.

Kill the boer!

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The Negroni culture music was coming from the Neutral Zone of America. A lot of blacks flee to those regions during the invasion

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I'm so tired; I need to look it up... but I seem to remember being told the Japanese did not just wanna annex China but to annihilate the people.

I've never heard anything about black or white and European-colored people in a racist way from my ridiculous American education nor from mostly Hollywood movies and documentaries (where Japan was concerned during that time line). American? Yes.

Good question here, OP and others. I'm going to be searching [on days I actually get some sleep and don't have to work or be part of a family].

Some of my family is Japanese and I'm told that the propaganda from all sides--including their own--makes it hard to know what's real and what's not (one of my cousins, born and raised in Japan for 27 years) didn't know about Pearl Harbor in any way until she visited Hawaii).

Wait. What was the question again? ??

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I don't know about the Japanese but in the Book the Nazis were working on the "extermination of the peoples of Africa". I have often wondered what the Nazis would have done to black people. I mean if they could do what they did to European Jews who look like them god only knows what they would have done to black people. Terrifying.

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One of the points of contention between Germany and Japan (in this story) is that Japan is not enforcing the Nazi ethnic rules as much as Germany would like them to. They make a show of it here and there, but they largely just ignore them.

Everyone that's not Japanese is a second class citizen (this seems to include Japanese Americans who also get considered second class).

For Americans it seems to go like this:

If you're white you're far better of in the Reich. If you're not white, you're better off in the Pacific States.

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If you read Hitler's "Mein Kampf" chapter 7:nation and race - he specially states that Jewry is the biggest threat meaning he was much more lenient to other races than people believe,
I think everyone just assumes Hitler hated anyone with dark skin or brown eyes but it's not the case. Even in his last testament he only mentions the Jews. He warns people against the Jews but nothing is mentioned about blacks or any other races

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Is there a reason the Japanese government hates Jews in this world? Is it a political agreement they have with the Nazi Government?


Japan has never allowed any significant number of Jews in to their lands. It is why they have been able to maintain such a cohesive and productive society.

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I think that goes for everyone who is not ethnic Japanese. According to Wikipedia, Japan is 98.5% ethnic Japanese.

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They were able to round up most and do genetic testing. Then they offered them passage to the country of their choice in Africa.

No fat ghost sailor is going to tell me what type of biscuits I can eat ~ Grandma Huang

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